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Post by dalethorn on Feb 20, 2012 19:04:44 GMT
I mentioned it somewhere else, but someone tipped me off to a movie made in color in 1902 - actually all of the 14000 frames were hand painted. But the best part was a artist called "Air" made a soundtrack -- Le Voyage Dans La Lune -- and that sound with the DT-1350 should convince anyone how good it is with details and big dynamics. Very recommended.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 21, 2012 3:38:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 6:21:51 GMT
Interesting.
Glad you mentioned the serial numbers because the version I have 10356 had the ear cups MUCH closer out of the box. About the same way you showed the 'old' ones were. The serial number also points to early version. I assumed I had a later version, but me having to bend them outwards and still being closer together than the one you have there explained why you do not find it 'vice like' out of the box but did so with the early version.
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Post by XTRProf on Feb 21, 2012 7:08:07 GMT
Perceptual Alternative ............
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 21, 2012 7:35:28 GMT
Can't think of any objection to combining threads. BTW, Tyll's video is with my 1350 that I sent him in April 2011. It bugs me a little that he doesn't mention EQ'ing the 1350 or otherwise modding it, since he certainly does those tweaks in the background.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 21, 2012 7:43:42 GMT
Not sure why that record jacket says "Alternate take" since it's the actual hit version. No mistaking that, note for note. 'E' never wrote any of it, or anything else I'm aware of, but Ms. Axton gave him a credit so he could collect a small bit of revenue from the sales, so he could afford a bus ticket to get to Memphis.
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Post by funk1969 on Feb 21, 2012 17:27:11 GMT
Sorry for my absence. Too much work the last week.
As much as I like the sound and isolation with the DT1350 I find the fiddling with the right fit still too annoying for short listens. I am buying a second K181 given I miss its sound and the fit requires almost no fiddling. (I gave the first away to a friend.)
For me the DT1350 is a bit like the DT48E I have yet a bit more mellow and less fatigue inducing with long listens. The stereo image differs though but that is a another story...
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 21, 2012 18:22:13 GMT
Sorry for my absence. Too much work the last week. As much as I like the sound and isolation with the DT1350 I find the fiddling with the right fit still too annoying for short listens. I am buying a second K181 given I miss its sound and the fit requires almost no fiddling. (I gave the first away to a friend.) For me the DT1350 is a bit like the DT48E I have yet a bit more mellow and less fatigue inducing with long listens. The stereo image differs though but that is a another story... Very true - it is a pain to get the earcups on exactly and nudge them around until they find the perfect position.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 19:13:48 GMT
Answer...
add HD25 pads, problem solved.
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Post by slwiser on Feb 21, 2012 19:19:54 GMT
I agree with the ear pads...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 20:57:31 GMT
Sorry for my absence. Too much work the last week. As much as I like the sound and isolation with the DT1350 I find the fiddling with the right fit still too annoying for short listens. I am buying a second K181 given I miss its sound and the fit requires almost no fiddling. (I gave the first away to a friend.) For me the DT1350 is a bit like the DT48E I have yet a bit more mellow and less fatigue inducing with long listens. The stereo image differs though but that is a another story... One closed headphone that I've wanted to try for a while is the AKG k550. Looks comfortable and many have good things to say about it. (It's expensive as well though)
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 21, 2012 22:02:54 GMT
One closed headphone that I've wanted to try for a while is the AKG k550. Looks comfortable and many have good things to say about it. (It's expensive as well though) I tried for awhile to find a review on the 550 - a couple useless reviews on Amazon, an inconclusive review by a gamer on headfi, and a "forbidden" on WhatHifi, even though I was logged into WhatHifi and post there. Not much to go on, although the review on headfi seemed to indicate it would be better for "modern music" than one of the brighter or more detail-prone headphones from Beyerdynamic or Shure. That German Maestro 8.35D is looking better all the time.
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Post by funk1969 on Feb 21, 2012 22:30:05 GMT
Sorry for my absence. Too much work the last week. As much as I like the sound and isolation with the DT1350 I find the fiddling with the right fit still too annoying for short listens. I am buying a second K181 given I miss its sound and the fit requires almost no fiddling. (I gave the first away to a friend.) For me the DT1350 is a bit like the DT48E I have yet a bit more mellow and less fatigue inducing with long listens. The stereo image differs though but that is a another story... One closed headphone that I've wanted to try for a while is the AKG k550. Looks comfortable and many have good things to say about it. (It's expensive as well though) I don't see the connection with the K550 given the K181 is a sweet sounding DJ headphone and the K550 is more HiFi for the demanding consumer. Oh well... HD25 cushions are next.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 6:14:02 GMT
Just an alternative closed headphone that could be on a level with the Beyer DT1350 since you were looking at an alternative closed type.
I can't see the link with dj headphones myself. The Beyers are kind of regarded as a pro monitoring tool, which the K181 certainly aren't.
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Post by funk1969 on Feb 22, 2012 10:50:00 GMT
True, the fiddling for the right fit is an annoyance with the DT1350 thus a complementary headphone might be necessary.
I read about the K550 but for what you get I prefer the underrated K181 that i.m.h.o. sounds much more refined than it ought to sound and is cheaper to get than the HD25. Mind you for me the K181 exceeded the HD25 in sound quality and the isolation was on par.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 21:25:12 GMT
That name shield on the earcup fell off again. Going to apply more and thicker dual sided tape.
In both video reviews I heard mentioned these nameplates were some kind of 'high tech' plastic. They are black anodized aluminium b.t.w.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 22, 2012 21:30:48 GMT
That name shield on the earcup fell off again. Going to apply more and thicker dual sided tape. In both video reviews I heard mentioned these nameplates were some kind of 'high tech' plastic. They are black anodized aluminium b.t.w. It would be interesting to see a photo of what it looks like with the name shield off. The ones on my 1350 don't look like they could fall off. If they did it would probably be somewhere I didn't notice and then they would be lost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 22:14:47 GMT
Behind the aluminium cover there is also a Beyerdynamic logo, slightly larger and in relief. I think they might have designed it without the added nameplate and later decided to change the looks by adding that nameplate. I find it slightly better looking without the covers so am thinking about removing the other logo as well. Maybe using a suction cup or something. the relief on it will make that harder perhaps. You can see the aluminum faceplate is taped on with the same sticky tape as the pads are. Until now I always found it lying in the bag. I store the HP with the pads up, otherwise it won't fit in the bag anymore as the HD25 pads are larger in diameter. To be continued .
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 23, 2012 1:29:50 GMT
I'm going to try my DT-1350 in my Grado case, which is also small. When I get to the house. Beyer loves that tape alright - same as the DT-48 pads. In the U.S. there's a funny saying about duct tape - it will fix anything. Looks like Beyer took their idea from that. Thanks for that photo too - now I know what to look for.
Edit: I don't suppose there's any chance that back cover could alter the sound - like absorb any resonance off the back of that cup.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 23, 2012 2:14:19 GMT
The Grado carrycase should be perfect. It's one inch longer, 1/4 inch higher, and the same width. And I put a pocket mirror that's larger than the cup and about 7/16 inches thick under one of the cups, and it fit perfectly - not even a tight fit.
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Post by XTRProf on Feb 23, 2012 2:56:13 GMT
Wow, for a USD 300 bucks HP and the Beyer logo fell off? Where is it made. China as usual? If I worked in my former manufacturing firm and this comes off, the whole batch could be rejected for a screen at the firm. As expected, I will have to write a long winded BS report togather with the engineers (Process and QA) to explain to the customer for corrective actions. Jap companies even worse. A Process or QA engineer will be going to the customer venue to investigate and explain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 3:58:54 GMT
Wow, for a USD 300 bucks HP and the Beyer logo fell off? X 2That would be the sort of thing that people who didn't know any better would expect of a phone as cheap as Superlux. Yet after many, many dissassemble/re-assembles, my 681's are still solid and nothing has fallen off. One might expect it (and maybe forgive it) of a very cheap can, but not on one costing approx. £250-300. I think if I had paid that amount of money for a headphone (not likely this side of a small lottery win ) I would be very disappointed. Jeff P.S. Frans - have you treated them roughly or dropped them?
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 23, 2012 5:05:22 GMT
The 1350 is made in Beyer's own production plant in Heilbronn Germany.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 6:50:06 GMT
Nope handled with care. They were a shop display item but had remained behind glass and showed NO signs of handling or misuse, dents, scratches at all. Got a discount for it though. The problem with sticky tape is; when it was not pressed firmly on assembly the glue 'dries' and looses it's sticky properties. When fresh and pressed on hard it should hold forever. Also one has to keep in mind the sticky rings are made to come off with a certain ease and NOT be for permanent fixing as they appear to be exactly the same as those of the removable, or should I say replaceable ear pads. There is little reason for the faceplate's to come off, as there are no screws or other things behind it needed for service. Also they do not appear to have any sonic benefits as the metal cups are very sturdy and the emblem is VERY lightweight and doesn't make contact with the housing except via the adhesive foam ring. I can imagine, for aesthetic or refurbish reasons, they could be removable because aluminium scratches easily with professional usage. Or they applied it for 'looks' only. The fact that there is a 'ring' where the rim of the faceplate falls in makes me suspect they had planned it from the start. Only Beyer can tell. Not all German stuff is necessarily better than Chinese stuff. They also have to make a profit and labor is MUCH more expensive (hence the price tag). I agree it should not happen at all
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 8:00:15 GMT
That's why I'm kind of curious about the way they bandy words like 'professional monitors'. Studio headphones need to be sit (able) on. ie very tough. They are not treated gently.
That's one of the reasons that in many studios, you see the DT150/100 and at the BBC in particular, the DT770. They are built like tanks although they don't have the best sound for hi fi people.
They need to be loud so the treble is lower on the DT150 so that they don't cause fatigue.
Nothing would drop off either headhones and they don't scratch. They're also modular, so you can adapt them with leads/pads/microphones. Even the headband can be changed because it's a wrap around. ie; they are easily repaired without any ripping off bits and sticking things back.
With the marketing of this one, they go on about them being 'professional monitors' but I can't see them lasting for long before they start to have bits go missing. In hot studios, the tape could go soft and sticky and then in cold weather (outside broadcasts) it would go hard and more brittle.
The pads are stuck on which isn't good really. It would be better to have something like the other DT's so they can be changed quickly.
The sound is flat/analytical so not necessarily too good for loud monitoring.
It seems to me that it's really aimed at the home hi fi market, rather than the pro market since the HD25 is way tougher it seems and cheaper anyway.
Mixing guys seem to like the Senn 600 and 650 a great deal.
So, I guess this is a closed 'home' headphone really.
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