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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 0:33:27 GMT
You are correct on the basic 16bit unit, it's only a cheapie. The bottle neck in my other unit is this 24bit 96khz board which suffered the same trouble on KS. It passes I2S on to Wills Sabre DAC. I have used some very lowly files and have the same reaction from KS and yes I had reduced the output to 16bit for the NG27. All our PCs are XP so testing WASAPI is a no go. |
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Post by XTRProf on Aug 20, 2012 2:21:58 GMT
Actually push it to what your sound card can only do. I set Foobar to downsample to 96-24 after 96-24 as that's what the soundcard can only do. I don't have any problem with WASAPI as the soundcard don't support ASIO. I had compared the JRiver with Foobar and the JRiver is about 2 to 3 notches up in sound quality over Foobar. It's closer to the meaty Live sound and with more details too. This is only over a clone Dr Dre Tour buds. Wait till I output it to my main rig and all will be laid bare. Btw, that clone sounded frekkingly very good. I prefer it over my the other HPs when the seal is proper. That's the closest ear phones to sound like speakerfi. I surprised myself. Really.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 9:13:09 GMT
Chris, I'd recommend you considered upgrading to W7 32bit. I have quite succesfuly run it on 7 years old P4 3GHz 1GB of RAM machines. If once installed you disable all unnecessary "bells & Whisteles" it is as fast and reliable as XP, much better if on top of that you could increase memory to at least 2GB. IMHO, formatting (previous backup up of all you files and info is a must) it is really worth the hassle no matter how many apps you have installed. If needed I could help with the installation (like with JRiver  ) Direct Sound makes the signal travel through many extra processing stages included in Windows' "Audio Engine" of which probably the worst offender is a very low quality resampler to match all incoming sound to a fixed sampling rate and bit depth set in the sound card preferences. If you set your default rate to 44.1 and play such files the impact will not be as big, if you play higher rez it'll be better to let Foobar's SOX plugin or JRiver to do the downsampling and bit truncating (you'll have to apply dither). I have no clue why neither your devices wants to play ball with KS, it would really be interesting to take a peek. I assume you don't have ASIO4All installed which could be blocking Windows from accessing the device. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 17:59:37 GMT
Hi Javier, There is a list of reasons developing as to why I should change to Win7 but the thought of doing it is not exactly exciting  I had thought to leave it until the next new machine.... I deleted ASIO4All quite some time back but do still have one ASIO option in the list (see below) for an M-Audio USB unit. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 18:47:40 GMT
Sure it is not exciting but it can be done in under 2hrs and the benefits are there. What kind of hardware do you have?
The M-Audio must be a left over of the cards drivers, did you uninstall them?
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Post by layums on Aug 20, 2012 20:50:27 GMT
Chris, I'd recommend you considered upgrading to W7 32bit. I have quite succesfuly run it on 7 years old P4 3GHz 1GB of RAM machines. If once installed you disable all unnecessary "bells & Whisteles" it is as fast and reliable as XP, much better if on top of that you could increase memory to at least 2GB. IMHO, formatting (previous backup up of all you files and info is a must) it is really worth the hassle no matter how many apps you have installed. If needed I could help with the installation (like with JRiver ) Direct Sound makes the signal travel through many extra processing stages included in Windows' "Audio Engine" of which probably the worst offender is a very low quality resampler to match all incoming sound to a fixed sampling rate and bit depth set in the sound card preferences. If you set your default rate to 44.1 and play such files the impact will not be as big, if you play higher rez it'll be better to let Foobar's SOX plugin or JRiver to do the downsampling and bit truncating (you'll have to apply dither). I have no clue why neither your devices wants to play ball with KS, it would really be interesting to take a peek. I assume you don't have ASIO4All installed which could be blocking Windows from accessing the device. Mmmm interesting. My audio laptop is an acer aspire 2000 with 2gb ram and 1.4 pentium M processor. My foobar sounds good through a hrt II+ but if it can be better with windows 7 all the more fun. Anybody know if my pc will stand up to win7 with all fancies removed. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 21:49:47 GMT
Mmmm interesting. My audio laptop is an acer aspire 2000 with 2gb ram and 1.4 pentium M processor. My foobar sounds good through a hrt II+ but if it can be better with windows 7 all the more fun. Anybody know if my pc will stand up to win7 with all fancies removed. If it runs XP it should run W7 though don't expect miracles speed wise. W7 is better than XP for audio and will provide WASAPI access to your HRT which should be a bit better than KS. You'd have to verify all integrated devices had appropiate W7 drivers, either shipped with the OS or downloadable. For example the integrated ATI graphics card will be a problem as there are no standard W7 drivers available and some hacking will be necessary. The card reader could also be problematic, the rest is probably fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 22:01:17 GMT
Hi Chris
It might be a piece of piss to guys like Javier and Elysion, but to the average Joe with lots of different installed programs it's a very daunting process, with lots of planning needed as regards software updates, searching out all your registration numbers etc.It's very time consuming.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 22:09:06 GMT
That is the reason I was offering to help. Programs like Teamviewer are very helpful to assist remotely and ATM I have plenty of free time at night (Chris is an owl too), I could even help you to properly configure Foobar (just joking, I know you'd rather have your teeth pulled out without anesthetic) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 22:11:04 GMT
Errrm?? , Dave |
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Post by dalethorn on Aug 20, 2012 22:18:48 GMT
Errrm?? ,Dave Just reading all of this impartially, I think you'd be much happier with a dedicated music server. Windows 7 or Apple - either one is a blessing for their corporate bottom lines, and a nightmare for users. If I were going to teach a class in Social Engineering to Reduce a Population to Quivering Helpless Sheep, I would start with Windows 7 and whatever snakeoil Apple is selling. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 22:19:50 GMT
If you stay up late I can help you too  I get free time after 23:30 local time (22:30 UK). I'll be back home on the 27th and time table will go back to normal then (hopefuly) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 22:34:21 GMT
That is the reason I was offering to help. Programs like Teamviewer are very helpful to assist remotely and ATM I have plenty of free time at night (Chris is an owl too), I could even help you to properly configure Foobar (just joking, I know you'd rather have your teeth pulled out without anesthetic) Javier As an aside, I don't know if you have been checking out C.A. but resident sceptic "esldude" (Dennis) has been using Diffmaker on the outputs of different software players, and even OSs with (to him) surprising measurable differences, albeit at fairly low levels. So far he isn't quite sure whether it's just software and perhaps timing involved too, or a combo of software and hardware. Seems some gain changes may be in evidence too . Kind Regards Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 22:53:12 GMT
Don't check CA too often but if you give me a link I'll take a look
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 23:35:33 GMT
TBH I find it a little too cryptic to make sense of the last paragraph, do you know what is he comparing and how?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 23:44:45 GMT
TBH I find it a little too cryptic to make sense of the last paragraph, do you know what is he comparing and how? Hi Javier The only additional info I have is in the email I sent you. Dennis has been using Diffmaker quite a lot recently,among other things, although he needs to use only short segments with careful alignment with Diffmaker.It's a useful but frustrating piece of software.(my experience too) When I get further info, I will keep you in the loop. Kind Regards Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 1:08:42 GMT
I have collected a huge amount of programmes on my lappy, not all are exactly ahem It would be a giant faff to do a complete change in OS. Plus some progs would be unrecoverable. I'm looking at getting a oldish-but-decent lappy to load W7 onto so that I can slowly wean myself over... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 1:24:43 GMT
I have collected a huge amount of programmes on my lappy, not all are exactly ahem It would be a giant faff to do a complete change in OS. Plus some progs would be unrecoverable. I'm looking at getting a oldish-but-decent lappy to load W7 onto so that I can slowly wean myself over... Hi Chris I have a similar problem when upgrading, although most of my programs are now legitimate, I would hate to risk losing Photoshop which I paid for and DL in good faith from a U.S.A supplier, with a support line and U.S. phone numbers.(They provided a KeyGen). There is also a growing trend to have programs directly installed from a DL without an option of first saving them. They want to sell you a backup CD as well ! Regards Alex |
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Post by XTRProf on Aug 21, 2012 5:57:59 GMT
Alex, I don't know why you bought a DL version of any program unless you intend to go illegal. Buy a physical legal copy at any computer mall, man! There's nothing like touching a physical copy like an LP or any AV disc format with artworks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 6:12:22 GMT
Alex, I don't know why you bought a DL version of any program unless you intend to go illegal. Buy a physical legal copy at any computer mall, man! There's nothing like touching a physical copy like an LP or any AV disc format with artworks. Chong Even Security software from the majors is available as DLs these days. Adobe Photoshop is also available as a DL from Adobe itself.Ashampoo products which I find quite useful are also DLs. You might have computer malls where you are , but not in Au . unless you count the occasional weekend Computer Fair at places like high schools. Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 9:09:24 GMT
Back on topic : - Since doing the latest foobar upgrade a couple of days ago (thanks Javier  ) my PC ocassionally stops dead at the start of a new track. In detail. one track ends and the progress bar appears at the start of the new track but fails to move without playing a note - clicking once on the 'Play' button returns everything to normal. Does anyone else experience this or is it just me?  Cheers, Dave. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 9:19:23 GMT
Alex, I've purchased software from Adobe (Photoshop, Acrobat Pro, Premiere, etc.) many times over the years and they always provide a serial number, never a keygen. In fact, no sofware I know of is sold from any manufacturer with a keygen or a "crack/patcher".
It is indeed true that DLs are becoming the norm nowadays, which IMO is better than getting only a phisical copy as these can be redownloaded as many times as need be or one can simply keep a backup copy in a USB drive, burn it to CD, etc. For these DLs always a serial # is provided either by email or shown at the time of purchase to be copy/pasted to a text file. Of course having a few backup copies of these serials is critical. In more recent also activation is required but they usually provide "grace" activations in case the computer breaks, gets lost, etc. and there is always the possibility of contacting the manufacturer.
A very clever option, whenever it is possible, is to choose "portable" installations which are run from a folder (can be placed in a USB drive) and are not attached to a single computer. J River offers this option.
Alex, with all due respect, I find it funny how you are against all changes of any kind except for PSs, which on the contrary need to be tweaked endlessly (USB, transistors, caps, inductors...you name it). Did you know some people find it very difficult or even impossible to do any DIY or have difficulties finding parts?. Would you fancy such people warning against it every time you recommend to upgrade any PS? maybe saying the benefit is not only not worth the hassle but also the risk of destroying gear or even hurting oneself? I know you do it with good intent but I think most here already can decide themselves.
PS. read your email but still nothing mentioned about the what and how. I have the suspicion analogue is involved but have no proof.
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Post by XTRProf on Aug 21, 2012 9:19:28 GMT
Back on topic : - Since doing the latest foobar upgrade a couple of days ago (thanks Javier ) my PC ocassionally stops dead at the start of a new track. In detail. one track ends and the progress bar appears at the start of the new track but fails to move without playing a note - clicking once on the 'Play' button returns everything to normal. Does anyone else experience this or is it just me? Cheers, Dave. Hi Dave, I don't have that problem after updating to 14a. Still the same as before in version 13. After track 1, it will continue to play track 2 and not stalled. How did you load tracks into Foobar? Highlight the tracks in Win Explorer and click play with Foobar? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 9:20:43 GMT
Dave, I've not had any probs but maybe it could be related to that keyboard of yours. Maybe you are hitting a key that pauses Foobar.
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