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Post by JohnnyBlue on May 27, 2012 17:48:40 GMT
Hi Dale
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd pretty much done all that and got V.1.1.11 working OK (see post #297 above).
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 12:40:09 GMT
John, I have installed V. 1.1.12a to another 2 PCs (both W7 32bit) and it works fine, no probs whatsoever. Ilooks like it is a problem with your FW software, maybe a later update will make it compatible with Foobar's latest version. BTW, another update to the SACD plugin is availoable, changelog: 05/28/12: Version 0.5.10 - Switching between DSD and PCM tracks fixed. 05/21/12: Version 0.5.9 - ISO track codec type fixed. Also there is a WASAPI beta in progress in case anyone is interested, the thread with beta1 and beta2 links can be found here: www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=298ed9695e94978ebad71df36467001d&showtopic=94907&st=0&start=0Main changes: What are the differences between the available versions?The different available builds (currently beta 1 and beta 2) use different approaches (beta 1: low latency event driven, beta 2: polling based). If you are experiencing problems, please try switching between the two and report your findings. Notable changes from the 2.x series:* Faster volume control * Improved compatibility with various USB audio devices * WASAPI code sandboxed for better stability (beta 1 only for now) * 32bit integer mode if 32bit floating-point is not supported by the device (beta 2) How to install: (for ver 1.1.11 or later) Double-click the .fb2k-component file. If the above does not load the component into foobar2000, open the "components" preferences page and add it there.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on May 29, 2012 12:47:50 GMT
There was definitely an issue for me with the 'foobar2000 Shell Associations Updater.exe' not getting past Online Armor, getting rid of that solved my problem.
I'd be concerned if there were sound-quality improvements in the latest version that I was missing out on, but there's isn't, so I'm not!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 22:49:41 GMT
How about this one for a puzzler . My main TV, a Sony 40" LCD doubles as the monitor for my HTPC. Rather belatedly, tonight I upgraded the foobar OS to the latest version after reading Javier's reminder above. No problems with the upgrade but definite problems with the resultant performance . Sometimes, like tonight, I have foobar playing music but switch the TV input to the Sky box and mute the volume - in that way I can watch the football without the crap commentary and listen to some choice background music. I have done this from day one when I'm not wanting to have a serious listening session. But tonight, after updating foobar to the latest version, everytime I change the input on the TV (from HTPC to Sky) the music stops and is replaced by a continuous rude noise rather like a continuous high pitched burp. So it's TV or music, but not both, from here on . Anyone any ideas WTF is happening or is it possible to go back to the previous version of foobar to prevent the problem. TIA, Dave.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 7:43:43 GMT
Dave that certainly is a puzzler.... if you have everything connected properly. How is the PC connected to the telly? how does the sound reach the amp?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 11:58:35 GMT
Dave that certainly is a puzzler.... if you have everything connected properly. How is the PC connected to the telly? how does the sound reach the amp? Hi Javier, Quick update: It appears to be more 'coincidence' than related to the installation of the new version of foobar. I uninstalled v12a and reinstalled v11 and got the same interference at the same times. As far as I can recall I've changed nothing, certainly not intentionally anyway , but I did go into the Realtek audio controller yesterday to look round , pressed a few button to see what happened but returned everything to the statu quo before closing the programme. The connection between HTPC and TV is by good quality HDMI lead and that certainly has not changed since day one. I've managed to get the music playing without having to have the monitor on by setting up foobar ready to play, with the cursor over the 'Play' button, placing the TV on Stand By and then hitting the 'Enter' button - playing fine at the moment . I'll do some more faffing around and see what I can find. Dave.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 21:06:29 GMT
Further update: - As the main connection between PC and monitor ssemed to me that that might be the source of the new problem so today I replaced the HDMI connection with a VGA to VGA connection and the problem is no more. The downside of this arrangement is that the VGA input on the TV/monitor will only accept a much reduced pixel count, meaning that the visible screen size is reduced quite considerably . On a slightly differentr note, can anyone advise on this: I notice that my playlists on foobar have a number or 100% duplicate tracks. Within the 'File' tab is an option to remove duplicates but it has no effect that I can see. Is there a way that duplicate tracks can be automatically removed, either at source (within Libraries) or from within playlists? TIA, Dave.
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 1, 2012 1:10:50 GMT
Are those duplicates different formats, possibly located in subfolders?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 9:46:48 GMT
Hi Dale, Nope, they are in most cases repeat copies of the the same file due to my lack of organisation I'm afraid . I've tried going through the playlist and deleting them manually but oh what a PITA that is. Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 14:05:15 GMT
Some great news for Foobar users:
Peter has finally fixed the ASIO plugin - currently 2.12 - so now we get bit perfect again (was broken in 2.1.1, I had reverted to 1.2.7 until today) and also has renewed the WASAPI plugin which was getting old and not using all possibilities the method allowed.
The new 3.0 WASAPI plugin (currently in beta #4 status) lets the user choose between Standard (aka push mode) or Event driven (aka pull mode), when using the later it is the soundcard who asks for the bytes as required instead of being "force fed" by the OS like in push mode where the PC is in command. Some further tweaking has also enabled hidden and "theoretically" unsupported bit depths (32bit for Xonar and Musiland) and sampling rates like 88.2 and 176.4KHz sampling in the Xonar drivers which couldn't be played with WASAPI plugin V 2.1.
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Notable changes from the 2.x series: * Faster volume control * 32bit integer mode if 32bit floating-point is not supported by the device * Operates in two different modes, regular and event-driven - the latter seems to be more compatible with USB devices, but not supported by some other devices.
New in beta 3: * Both regular and event-driven modes available (listed as separate devices, since compatibility varies per-device). * Hopefully more compatible 32-bit integer/floatingpoint mode detection. * Worked-around some glitching cases with the event-driven mode. New in beta 4: * MMCSS use for hopefully better glitch prevention. * Event driven mode now recovers correctly after a glitch caused by high CPU usage. * Fixed 32-bit floating-point mode not quite working =============================================
If anyone has .ape files that crash Foobar, you can try the new 2.1.6 plugin a see if it fixes the problem.
I've been using the above mentioned plugins with Foobar 1.1.12a and they work fantastically producing great SQ, no probs whatsoever.
Last, there is a beta1 1.1.13 but basically fixes file tagging so no urge to update.
Links updated in 1st post of this thread
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Jun 6, 2012 14:32:23 GMT
Oooh, you teaser! I'm finding that foobar2000.org is down at the moment!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 15:32:49 GMT
Thanks muchly Javier - this thread is very helpful to numpties like me and a few others I suspect . Keep up the good work please, as and when you're able. Dave.
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Post by freddypipsqueek on Jun 6, 2012 20:36:48 GMT
Just upgraded and very impressed.
We now need a Cplay v Foobar review.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 21:55:47 GMT
Just upgraded and very impressed. We now need a Cplay v Foobar review. Freddy Unless your gear is far better than average,(and that rules out normal USB ) you will not be able to hear any difference. If it is better than average, cPlay, jPlay and XXHE should sound much more natural. That's not just my opinion either.One of the claims made by cPlay is that it's software causes far less "Jitter". Playback software causing "Jitter"? Now that's a topic that would REALLY wind up Frans, Javier and several others, so I won't go there with that one.(at least not for now Regards Alex
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Post by freddypipsqueek on Jun 8, 2012 10:19:31 GMT
Alex. A guy called Colin Yallop of Chevron Audio (Derby UK - www.chevronaudio.co.uk/) has put a USB input (Burr Brown) into my Arcam Black Box and fitted this with a separate clock & PSU. He has measured the jitter and it is lower that the SPDIF inputs. I have recently bought an IBM (Lenovo) T60 laptop and fitted an SSD with the intention of using it as a cut down USB source for CPlay (ASIO output). The 'new' Foobar ASIO is however impressive (with Ploytec ASIO) and the user interface beats CPlay hands down; not mention the mass of mods required to XP to get CPlay to do its stuff property and the fact that foobar works well with a network. I'm going to have a bit more of a play over the weekend. Do you run Cplay with a cut down windows install (presumably XP) and if so do you have a list of the services which make a difference ?.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 11:01:37 GMT
Freddy Well implemented, SPDIF and Async USB are way better than standard USB, which can often be quite noisy, especially if in a laptop.That's why some switch to battery. Much depends on the actual implementation, as well as the quality of the Input receiver (DIR9001 etc.) I use SPDIF Out from an Asus Xonar D2X, and into the modded SC DAC, it has outperformed a W4S, a PerfectWave Transport , and an Oppo 95. As usual how good the PSU is, and the supplies to reference oscillators etc. are, determines just how good it is overall. More important though is the quality of the material it is fed. In the case of PC Audio, despite what some believe, the original rip quality decides just how good the end results will be. I agree that cPlay is minmalistic, and jPlay is likely to ne more user friendly.I have many startup services controlled manually, by setting in Ashampoo Win Optimiser. I have found that in my setup, cPlay sounds considerably better than Foobar 2000. Foobar 2000 can do heaps of different things, but IMO that is likely to be it's weakness, most likely due to more Jitter than cPlay which is optimised for low playback Jitter. Alex
P.S. I use W7/32 and believe that it sounds better than XP did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 20:37:24 GMT
Freddy, if you want Foobar to sound "like" cPlay you can try enabling playing from RAM (explained in second post opf this thread) and some sort of over/upsampling based on SOX, in the next link you'll find a very good one (recommended V. 0.78): www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=67373Those are the main "real" differences between cPlay and default config in Foobar, the others would fall into what I consider the "esoteric" domain. Personally, I don't like like the idea of ASRC ( asynchronous sample rate copnversion) aka non-integer multiple upconversions (for example 44.1KHz to 192KHz) because by interpolating it changes the original signal into something quite different and it cannot be undone or reversed even by downsampling again. Some DACs always apply ASRC, like the MF X-DAC3. Wether this can be heard or not will depend on who you ask but it can certainly be measured. Some swear by it and others say is heresy. cPlay always forces over/upsampling to a given sample rate because it has a fixed output rate, it is not capable of outputing the source SR unless you only play, say, 44.1 and choose that as output SR. Foobar SOX plugin (and its derivatives) allow for integer multiple upsampling (2x, 4x, /2, /4 or even upsampling depending of incoming sampling rate) which IMHO is a much, much better option. Also, final 1.1.13 available with basically tagging fixes and only one important fix related to different output levels depending on output type (DS, WASAPI or ASIO): Fixed ID3v2 regressions from version 1.1.12 Fixed playback-getting-stuck bugs with fade-on-track-advance enabled. ID3v2 compliance changes: multiple TXXX allowed again, semicolon used for multiple genre separator. Changed ID3v2.3 TYER/TDAT handling, now merged into one DATE field formatted as YYYY-MM-DD. Fixed incorrect volume control behavior when cycling output methods. Links updated on first post.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Jun 10, 2012 8:05:33 GMT
V.1.1.13 also installed perfectly (so far!) on my Online Armored PC (phew!).
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Post by rkay5 on Jun 25, 2012 6:04:10 GMT
Javier, In cplay you bypass upsample if you set the rate to the rate of the file played.upsample set to 176.4 and I play a 176.4 file upsampling will be bypassed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2012 8:18:50 GMT
I know, but when you constantly play different sampling rate tracks, like I do, it is not very practical.
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 12, 2012 5:29:34 GMT
Have been awhile from Foobar updates. How come when I try to install foo_dsp_resampler_mod_0.6.0 into my Dell Win 7 64, the file is not displayed in the open install window? I have the latest Foobar 1.1.13 install.
Also, how come the old codes for HDCD will not display HDCD any more in the latest Foobar?
HDCD codes used are: %codec% | %samplerate% Hz | $info(bitspersample) bits | %channels% | %playback_time%[ / %length%] | %bitrate% kbps | HDCD = $if(%__hdcd%,'yes | ','no')$if(%__hdcd%,PE: %__hdcd_peak_extend% LLE: %__hdcd_gain% TF: %__hdcd_transient_filter%)
Thanks for any feedbacks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 10:11:06 GMT
Chong, see reply #317 on this same page, 0.6.0 is obsolete. Get 0.7.8 or even 0.7.9.
If you can't see it in the "open" install window try renaming it from .zip to .fb2k-component
You are using exactly the same "HDCD codes" (it really is the status bar code) as me and in my Foobar they work fine, what is exactly your problem?
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 12, 2012 10:32:17 GMT
Chong, see reply #317 on this same page, 0.6.0 is obsolete. Get 0.7.8 or even 0.7.9. If you can't see it in the "open" install window try renaming it from .zip to .fb2k-component Strange other old DL dlls were recognised. Ok, Noted. You are using exactly the same "HDCD codes" (it really is the status bar code) as me and in my Foobar they work fine, what is exactly your problem? No HDCD Yes or No task icon. Here, this file is HDCD and nothing although code already put in as highlighted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 11:09:54 GMT
Try copying that code in the "status window" box, first click on "Default User Interface" (upper arrow) and then paste the text where the lower arrow points. If you check the picture you'll see how I'm getting the HDCD info OK.
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