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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 20:55:58 GMT
Quick guide:1) Download latest version (1.15) here: www.foobar2000.org/files/be1c9c9f....2000_v1.1.5.exe2) Install it on the same location as current version overwriting it 3) Download to Windows desktop ASIO and Wasapi plugins here: ASIOwww.foobar2000.org/getcomponent/f5b65957fee936cccd998decd0493719/f4d85e8d41283302d6ccd1a34e3220f5/foo_out_asio.zipWASAPIwww.foobar2000.org/getcomponent/9567bbb313122c34df110f08f9471dd8/de53d40e2112914243fdb2da40bc2864/foo_out_wasapi.zip(this way you can compare them. WASAPI will work with any soundcard and is nearly as good as ASIO and better than DiectSound) 4) Open Foobar and go to File->Preferences. On the left you should select "Components" and on the right you'll see all installed components. 5) On the lower area of the right there is a button named "Install", click and search where you downloaded the plugins. Select one and click OK. You will see an "unknow" new component in the list with the file name showing on the rightmost column. Repeat the process with the other downloaded plugin. 6) Click "Apply" button. Foobar will restart and now both plugins are fully installed and working. 7) Click File->Preferences and on the left look for "Playback" and clic the "+" to expand the entry so you'll see "Output" with another "+". If you click there a new entry called "ASIO Virtual Devices" will show, click it and the on the right part click "Add new device". A pop-up window will show and by default will have the "Musiland Monitor Series (USB)"select, if itsn't the case clic the dropdown list and select it. Click "OK" and the window will close bringing you to the previous one where you'll see it now listed as a configured device. 8) Click "Output" on the left again. You'll see a drop down list. From it you can choose the way you want Foobar to send sound to the Musiland. You should have an entry called "ASIO: Musiland Monitor Series (USB)" - best SQ-, another "WASAPI: Musiland Monitor Series (USB)", etc. 9) If you have selected the best one, ASIO, the only thing it'll let you configure is the "Buffer Length", depending on computer and number of programs running simultaneously you'll need a bigger/smaller one. Usually anything up to 500ms will be enough (I have it set at 120ms). If its too low you might hear clicks and pops when system is very busy, too big a buffer adds nothing and reduces available system memory. Some Monitor 02 tips:1) double clic the Musiland icon by the time (lower right) and go to the second tab named "Advance", there make sure "Precission" mode is highlighted. 2) On that same tab the SRC table is by default set 48KHz, I leave on 192 but it only applies to WDM/WASAPI input, if you use foobar with ASIO plugin and configure it to use "ASIO: Musiland...." it decodes everything "as is" (much better IMHO). 3) You can enable HDCD decoding editing the Musiland.ini file in the drivers installation folder, change the only line in it from HDCD= 0 to HDCD= 1, very easy but for it to work you have to make sure foobar's volume is always set at 100%. If you install any DSP or lower the volume within Foobar you'll loose HDCD decoding. 4) Always control volume with the Musiland control panel (double clic on icon), leave windows volume at 100% as with Foobar's. 5) I recommend to turn Windows system sounds off, else unplug HPs when you shutdwon the computer. 6) Forget the MMDI tab, its for other Musiland models.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 20:57:08 GMT
Hi Javier, Mick, now all up and running, precision mode set, seems their is a bit more inner detail, you mention asio, I read a thread somewhere suggesting that Wasapi was the add on to use with Vista, is that not correct?, Truth be known its possible my foobar 2K is not set up as well as it could be any resident Foobar experts on here, what you guys find incredibly easy, is not so when you get to my age. Hi Chris, Yes, either will do nicely, i use XP, Javier, recommended i use both plug- ins to see which i preferred, i just loaded the Asio for now, will try Wasapi when i get a mo, but am more than happy with the results so far, i will send you the set up for software guide that Javier sent me, if you follow it to the letter, you should get the same results as me. Mick. PS I am too late, Javier has just posted it ;D
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Post by rallychief on Mar 9, 2011 21:49:39 GMT
Whow thanks for that both you guys, sorting that will keep me quiet for a while, already have set to precision mode, took me a min or 2 to figure the Icon on the desktop wouldn't load the Musiland control panel, and only the Icon at bottom right corner did it, unlike the version 06.
Cheers Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 21:59:03 GMT
Whow thanks for that both you guys, sorting that will keep me quiet for a while, already have set to precision mode, took me a min or 2 to figure the Icon on the desktop wouldn't load the Musiland control panel, and only the Icon at bottom right corner did it, unlike the version 06. Cheers Chris Ok Chris, let us know how you get on. Mick.
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Post by joethearachnid on Mar 9, 2011 22:35:51 GMT
Chris, have you tired rolling opamps in the M-Stage at all? I've read people having great results from the OPA627 and also biasing various opamps into class A with an adapter.
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Post by rallychief on Mar 9, 2011 23:22:48 GMT
Hi Joe, i'm not that techie really, but I guess if its just a unplug / plug thing, I could give it a go, would upgrading the power supply help, looking at the pics here it dosen't look much. Edit, sorry thought you were talking about modding the 02, realise you mean't M Stage, also it was the power supply in the 02 I mean't, are their any wortwhile mods for 02. Anyway off to sort out my Foobar, reminds me of a famous quotation, "i'm just going outside I could be some time" Cheers Chris
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Post by rallychief on Mar 10, 2011 12:24:18 GMT
Hi Javier, bad news its gone somewhat wrong, all fine and dandy got latest Foobar installed, dowloaded asio, and its showing in components,, but when I get to the asio virtual device editor, i get a message saying initialising asio driver failed, and asio is not grayed out in components, any ideas. Wasapi isn't grayed out either, so I guess I was never using that either Cheers Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 12:37:12 GMT
I won't be able to help 'till I get home (20:00 CET) since don't have my 02 here. You can either be having a badly installed driver issue, insuffcient permissions or a bad Foobar config. Are you using Vista x86 (32bit) or 64bit?
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Post by rallychief on Mar 10, 2011 13:01:51 GMT
Hi Javier, its the 32 bit Vista Premium, on a Compaq Presario CQ 70 Laptop.
Thanks Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 16:40:21 GMT
Chris,
Just in case you did summint daft like me.
Did you "unpack" the asio/wasapi (I prefer wasabi , yummy) driver from its zip file and send the extracted file to the "Components" folder within Foobar? The same goes for the Kernel streamer.
If you have then I'm sure Javier will have better ideas later.
Regards,
T'other Chris
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Post by rallychief on Mar 10, 2011 19:16:30 GMT
Hi Chris, yep clicked on extract all files, then sent it to destination desktop, then dragged and dropped it into Foobar components, hope thats right, thanks for your suggestion though, i am capable of not having unpacked it However whats the Kernel Streamer Cheers Big Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 19:34:35 GMT
Chris, do you see a screen like this?: There is no need to unzip the plugins Foobar does it automatically and stores the content in the correct place. You can install plugins straight to the component folder but it isn't the Kosher way to do it. They should go into the "user-component" folder in C:\Users\ userxxx\AppData\Roaming\foobar2000\user-components
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Post by rallychief on Mar 10, 2011 20:17:46 GMT
Hi Javier, yes got that screen but blank , ie no left right or 32 bit etc, but says musiland monitor at top, and if I click on configure, get message says asio initialisation failed, and goes back to being blank.
Cheers Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 21:02:15 GMT
Hi again Chris,
1) Can you remove the plugins, reinstall them as per the guide I posted above and try again? 2) Have you tried WASAPI? 3) Does the Musiland work with any other player? 4) Do you have administrator permissions?
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Post by rallychief on Mar 10, 2011 21:25:45 GMT
Hi Javier, getting close to giving up, not much of this behaves as per your instructions, if I go to the screen " device" where it says DS: Primary Sound Driver, if I click it to drop list, 2nd one down says Asio : Musiland Monitor Series ( USB ) does this mean its worked somehow ?
4th line down says WASAPI : speakers ( Conexant high definition smart audio 221) is this correct.
Edit asio 1-2-7 is now in components list grayed out, but Wasapi is still lit.
Cheers very frustrated Chris.
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Post by rallychief on Mar 10, 2011 21:39:40 GMT
Further to above tried to play some music came up with unrecoverable error, device has 2 outputs ( expected 0 )
Edit and if I go back to DS: primary driver it now plays music again, it just so happens the album I clicked on at random on the hdd was a Van Morrison album, one of the tracks of which is called underlying depression, how appropriate ;D
Cheers Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 22:16:08 GMT
Hi Javier, getting close to giving up, not much of this behaves as per your instructions, if I go to the screen " device" where it says DS: Primary Sound Drver, if I click it to drop list, 2nd one down says Asio : Musiland Monitor Series ( USB ) does this mean its worked somehow ? When plugins are correctly installed it should look like this: If you can select it from the drop down list it should work, I guess it is correctly installed in Foobar. If if you still get the error then is something to do with the drivers. Do you get like this?: Also, if you go to "Advanced" tab of the Musiland control panel, do you have this?: Version: 1.0.13 ICU: 1.8 APU: 2.0 ASIO: 1.0.2.0 CPL: 1.0.6.0 Mode: USB 2.0 High Speed 4th line down says WASAPI : speakers ( Conexant high definition smart audio 221) is this correct. Edit asio 1-2-7 is now in components list grayed out, but Wasapi is still lit. Cheers very frustrated Chris. A little patience Chris, you have to do the same with WASAPI plugin, delete it from the component folder and install the proper way. If ASIO is greyed out
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 22:31:17 GMT
Could it be a problem associated with Vista Javier, i can not understand why i followed the self same procedure as you posted last night, on XP, and it worked perfectly straight away. The few people i know who are using Vista always speak of problems with certain software, i don`t think it was one of Microsoft`s finest hours. You must be ready to throw the bl""dy thing away Chris, that`s how i would be feeling by now. Mick.
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Post by rallychief on Mar 10, 2011 22:32:57 GMT
Hi Javier, I have the screens with the Asio showing in device screen, same as yours, asio is grayed out on my components screen whereas on yours it is lit, the advanced screen on Musiland control panel is exactly per your post.
It just don't work, I think I have troubled you enough for one day Javier, tommorrow, I will delete the Foobar, do a fresh download, including down loading fresh asio plug in, and Wasapi, and start again. Thanks for everything so far my friend.
Another famous quotation comes to mind " run away and live to fight another day"
Edit just seen your post Mick, throwing it away is one option, conversation between myself and computer engineer in my early days with PC, me " my computers crashed" engineer " what exactly happened " me " it hit the floor at the bottom of the stairs" ;D
Good point re vista, I have an older laptop here with XP on might see if it will work on that, will prove if it's me or Vista.
Cheers Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 22:42:48 GMT
OK, great idea.
I never liked Vista but both XP and W7 are great. Still in most cases it should behave very similar to W7 as they share the same driver model.
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Post by rallychief on Mar 11, 2011 19:32:43 GMT
Hi everybody, have deleted Foobar off machine and Asio + Wasapi plug ins, downloaded the lot and restarted again, done that twice now today.
I don't think I can have Asio, Everything goes to plan, until I get to the screen, ASIO virtual devices, every time I click on ADD NEW, I get a message, that says "An error occurred while querying " MUSILAND Monitor Series ( USB ) " driver, please stop ASIO playback, and shut down any other software using ASIO. Additional info, Initialling ASIO driver failed "
I don't think I have any other software using Asio, and their is no other programme running whilst doing the ASIO instal. The ASIO is listed in devices, but when you click on it, their is no output to the dac, but the spectral analyser is running in Foobar indicating the track is playing.
However I do have Wasapi, 3 listings in fact as follows
1. WASAPI SPDIF interface ( 2- Musiland Monitor 02 US ) 2. WASAPI speakers ( 2- Musiland Monitor 02 US ) 3. WASAPI speakers ( Conexant high definition smart Audio 221 )
The only one that produces sound is no 2, which I assume is right. 3 being the onboard sound.
I have read somewhere that for Wasapi to work at its best, it needs to run in " exclusive mode " any ideas how to achieve that, and in your opinions is it a benefit.
Finally, updating the Musiland drivers to 1.0.13 and engaging precision mode, has brought about a subtle improvement on its own, and having Wasapi running may have had an effect, not sure only listened for very short time.
Many many thanks to eveybody, Javier in particular, for all your brilliant help so far , any other ideas re ASIO would be appreciated.
Thanks Chris.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 20:54:24 GMT
Hi Chris, If you got WASAPI working that is a good start. The difference between ASIO and WASAPI si quite small (if any at all). Of the 3 options you have you are right #2 is the correct unsless you want to use the 02's SPDIF/Toslink to another DAC. One important question, do you have installaed Vista SP1 or SP2? I've found this: support.microsoft.com/kb/945444/en-us To enable exclusive mode: 1) click the volume icon at the lower right 2) in the pop-up click the speaker icon 3) got to advanced options tab 4) check both options in exclusive mode
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Post by rallychief on Mar 11, 2011 21:15:52 GMT
Hi Javier, good evening to you, the machine is running service pack 2, read the article you linked, it does describe the problem I have dosen't it, although it says it was fixed in service pack 1.
Think I just need to accept that ASIO isn't going to happen, Get WASAPI into Exclusive mode, and see what transpires.
Doing a bit of research re a previous post refering to Kernel streaming, that seems to bypass the windows audio engine, and give a bit perfect direct feed to the USB out, would that not be a good thing ?
Also regarding an earlier post, re upgrading the Op Amp in the M Stage it would appear Tams audio do a ready made part, with 2 627 op amps and the Class A mod already done, ready to plug in for $30, might give that a go, before any thoughts re dac upgrade.
Cheers Chris.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 21:48:03 GMT
There is something f'ed up in your PC Chris. Some people have complained with Vista X64 but you are the 1st one I hear having trouble with Vista x86 and Musiland's drivers.
I wish I could remote connect and take a look (I'm an IT man) to see what could be the problem but for that you'll need a permanent IP address and, if connected through a router using NAT, at least one "outside" port will have to redirected either to the 389 (remote desktop) or any other port configured in VNC in your computer.
Still, no big deal. WASPI should be fine, it is just Microsoft's version of ASIO (propietary). Both skip Windows' mixer and don't suffer SRC. The stream should arrive to the 02 bit perfect.
Make sure Foobar's volume is at 100%, no DSP's are loaded and Windows vaolume is also at 100%. Adjust volume with the M Stage or if needed with Musiland's control panel.
You found the Exclusive mode options?
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Post by rallychief on Mar 11, 2011 22:24:12 GMT
No didn't find the exclusive options, if I open the volume and click on the speaker icon, nothing happens, does the 02 need to be connected ? as it isn't currently, elsewhere at the mo.
Must admit, didn't understand half of what you said re looking at the computer remotely.
Cheers Chris
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