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Post by Nigel on Dec 14, 2010 22:22:13 GMT
How important is it?
I've just fitted my new cartridge without any anti skate dialled in & looking at the way it settles into the groove when the cueing lever drops down, it seems fine, no visible sideways movement. I usually set the anti skate using a blank sided flexi disc, usually ends up about 50-70% of the tracking force.
Any good methods of achieving perfect anti-skate?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 22:41:16 GMT
How important is it? I've just fitted my new cartridge without any anti skate dialled in & looking at the way it settles into the groove when the cueing lever drops down, it seems fine, no visible sideways movement. I usually set the anti skate using a blank sided flexi disc, usually ends up about 50-70% of the tracking force. Any good methods of achieving perfect anti-skate? Nigel How does it sound without the anti skate adjustment being correct ? Personally, I would use no more than the recommended amount and forget it. Short of using a contactless Laser assembly instead of a cartridge, (it's been done!) I doubt that there is a perfect solution Alex
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 23:07:40 GMT
I always started at the recommended force. If there were problems, not associated to any other setting, adjust from there. In the case of line and weight style, there was never need for more than one notch difference to that recommended.
The better engineered your set up is and assuming all has been adjusted correctly, the easier it is to hear and the less likely it needs to be any different to the recommended value.
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Post by pjc68 on Dec 14, 2010 23:58:47 GMT
Nigel It depends if the arm is negative or positive vta. If the back of the arm is slightly lower than the front (neg vta) and within 2mm then you would need less bias, if the front is higher etc then you would need slightly more and less tracking force. you only should match bias and tracking force if the tone arm is parralell (straight) Make sure the tt is level using a spirit leve,balance the arm as normal, then put the needle on the record about 25mm out (use record thats not warped and not a shit 120gm 80,s disc) then adjust the tracking force till the needle is stable (near the top of the range) then adjust the antiskating (bias) in incraments till you can hear equally in the left and right channel. not enough tracking force - more in left speaker not enough antiskate - more in right speaker I bought the whole ringmat system about 9 years ago, with different sized spacers to go underneath but it would be too much to adjust the spacers for every lp so i just set it up the best i could to leave and forget. Also tempature affects tracking force and bias as well. paddy
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Post by Nigel on Dec 15, 2010 9:36:30 GMT
Interesting stuff Paddy from the VTA perspective. I was reading last night on vinyl engine, Leave anti-skating at zero. It's more than enough.www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32266So there's a few difference of opinions. I've bought a headshell spirit level to check VTA, hopefully it will arrive today, the trouble with Rega arms is the lack of vta adjustment. The arm certainly looks negative VTA but the lines on the cartridge body, there's loads of them, look parallel to the record surface. If I space the arm higher, the lines on the cartridge body look to point front down.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 15, 2010 10:54:53 GMT
I too am anti skating.... I nearly got knocked off my bike by one of those little bastards
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 13:32:09 GMT
Hi Nigel Yup that's the way i used to do mine but i have a parallel tracker now so no need to worry. you may be able to pick up one of those test disc tingys which have blanks on the outside middle ind inner edge of the disc from a charity shop which I've found to be useful (HNRR test disc for 50p from Oxfam). they are a good tool take care
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 16:54:09 GMT
Interesting stuff Paddy from the VTA perspective. I've bought a headshell spirit level to check VTA, hopefully it will arrive today, the trouble with Rega arms is the lack of vta adjustment. The arm certainly looks negative VTA but the lines on the cartridge body, there's loads of them, look parallel to the record surface. If I space the arm higher, the lines on the cartridge body look to point front down. That was good extra detail Paddy. Nigel, Are you using a Technics 12xx/Rega combo? (just curiosity) What is the cartridge and what vta does the manufacturer recommend? If you need vta adjustment for more than the one cartridge (future changes or if you tend to "roll" carts ) then something like this is handy. Other peeps make them too, like Michell IIRC. If you have a 3 point mount Rega, there is one for that as well. If you do not plan on changing carts until your current one dies naturally, then a fixed height collar will suffice. Assuming you need anything at all.
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Post by Nigel on Dec 16, 2010 15:23:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 18:40:41 GMT
....and very nice they are too! With lots of perfectly square lines to set your vta and alignment (azimuth). 20 degrees vta, as you seem to already know, on your cartridge this acheived with the horizontal lines of the cartridge body being in parallel with the LP. The Rega is very difficult to judge by eye because of its taper, you will need that spirit level you ordered or a vta guage like this one. Simlpy print it onto some card. There are even better ones available to download but I seem to have not saved the links Use the flat of the headshell and the cartridge as reference points. Confirm this first before you add any height adjustment.
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Post by pjc68 on Dec 16, 2010 20:24:05 GMT
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Post by Nigel on Dec 16, 2010 20:51:40 GMT
I use the Rega Stevenson protractor for alignment. Stevenson - a variation on Löfgren geometry optimized for low distortion at the inner groove at the expense of increased distortion elsewhere. compared to Baerwald or Löfgren B you will get lower distortion for the last few mm of the recordThanks for that link Chris, still waiting for my little spirit level to arrive. Some interesting stuff here, including stylus rake angle. www.deadwaxcafe.com/vzone/cartalign.asp#sra
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Post by Nigel on Dec 16, 2010 22:18:34 GMT
It's just been pointed out to me that the weight of the spirit level, 0.25 grammes will obviously change the VTF, therefore the VTA & the SRA. So probably your protractor is the best bet Chris, or the Origin Live adjustor.
One should be able to obtain the desired result by fine tuning the VTF?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2010 12:54:24 GMT
I assume you mean adjusting vtf to allow for the added weight of the level? (Ideally you are also better off with stylus scales as the Regas calibration markings are a bit iffy. I am being very picky here though).
Do you have a purpose made-for/by-Rega armboard on the 1210?
You just need to confirm if any adjustment is even necessary before going down that route.
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Post by Nigel on Dec 17, 2010 13:47:43 GMT
I have the Origin Live armboard.
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Post by lini on Dec 22, 2010 21:40:31 GMT
Nigel: I'd say unless one has the Ortofon test computer kit and/or an Audio Precision, the next best method is to use a test record with trackability test tracks: Set the antiskating so that both channels start to distort at pretty much the same displacement/level. And then decrease the antiskating a bit and fine adjust with regular music records.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2010 17:54:57 GMT
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Post by Nigel on Dec 31, 2010 20:23:18 GMT
Thanks for that Chris. I seem to be sorted now but that looks a bargain indeed.
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Post by rowuk on Jan 21, 2011 17:50:40 GMT
The anti skate requirement changes as the arm progresses over the disk. At the two points where the stylus is tangential to the groove, no force is needed at all. Therfore there is no "perfect" setting. I will argue that any time that you have a conventional tone arm, you will need at least some antiskate to keep the lateral tension minimized on the cantilever. The higher compliance the cartridge, the more you need it.
I don't think that blank records (no grooves) is a good way to set it. In theory you need a good test record or freedom from a technical guilty concience
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