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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 1, 2017 20:24:56 GMT
Maybe I should sell them to some poor deaf person. I've tried the "tape mod" mentioned elsewhere on the Internet. It makes the bass end a bit bloated and tames the brashness to some degree but quite often voices can sound very wrong on SSSSSS's, and percussion still sounds a bit strange. I have ordered the flat pads from the USA, but I doubt that will tame them enough for my ears. Chris..... the flat pads seemed to make matters worse (to my ears anyhow) and I tried the lot (bowls / Senn HD414 etc / comfy) and found the Senn HD414 pads to be the best BUT, the best of a bad lot. I think the main problem with the 325 is the metal cups / the sheer weight of the things..... they are not comfy on the ears...... could be better described as "ear clamps" rather than headphones. They are, quite frankly, NOT good sounding headphones and no amount of tweaking will turn a Pig's ear into a silk purse...... they are "glued" together and getting into them is a bitch..... the thing is, when you eventually get past the glue barrier and manage to get into them what do you do? In my case I looked at the innards and thought "no wonder they glued this crap together!" Stoneage / prosaic build quality with an absolute crap / dated diaphragm (compared to modern ones). I'm surprised Grado are still in business, the only thing they have going for them is the "Built in the USA" thing but is that necessarily a good thing? Their headphones pretty much all use the same type of diaphragm, the only difference being the purity of copper, and they are the same diaphragms they have been using for decades . There is ZERO R&D at Grado..... they are basically selling the same drivers they have been producing for yonks in an assortment of enclosures...... that's OK for a US made Zippo lighter (for example) a lighter is a lighter but headphone drivers have come a long way and Grado drivers have remained the same... the same tooling, the same recipe, the same old over the decades. The Grado sound is like Marmite...... you either love it or loathe it..... I, for one, would love to love it but that's not going to be possible unless they start investing in the future / not relying on the past. Their current range is pretty much based around the drivers they developed 80 years ago.
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Post by Chris53 on Apr 1, 2017 20:34:34 GMT
I think you have summed them up pretty well. When I compare them to my AKG K712's it's like chalk and cheese. I must have been mad to have bought them. I should sell them before everyone finds out how shit they really are.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 1, 2017 20:37:56 GMT
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 1, 2017 20:40:31 GMT
One man's meat is another man's poison Chris.......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 22:36:49 GMT
I've tried to sell my PS1000e in new condition for more than a year, for a very reasonable $850 U.S. Used perhaps 20 hours. So far nobody....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 22:38:46 GMT
I can testify to the GH1 Heritage Edition however - wood cups, much lighter than the SR325e, sounds the same, twice as expensive. Maybe not a bargain...
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Post by Chris53 on Apr 2, 2017 10:10:48 GMT
I've tried to sell my PS1000e in new condition for more than a year, for a very reasonable $850 U.S. Used perhaps 20 hours. So far nobody.... Selling them on may not be so easy then Mine have probably only about 20 hours on them too. What a waste of money. I could have gone to a brothel instead.
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Post by pingu on Apr 2, 2017 22:03:24 GMT
This looks way outside of my price range. Is there any other cheap way of making Grado SR325e sound decent. They have a horrible "unliveable with" hump at about 2K (I think that's about right). They make percussion sound like you are using a crystal pickup cartridge. Bloody awful.[/quote There is a seller on fleebay that does excellent grado wood cup in a variety of woods. I have bought a couple of sets from him, they are well finished and stylish too. The price is good around £30 uk. I cannot locate him atm but he is based in Canada so may have stopped production for the winter. Keep looking he is around all the time, I search "grado wood" Martin
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 23:20:47 GMT
This looks way outside of my price range. Is there any other cheap way of making Grado SR325e sound decent. They have a horrible "unliveable with" hump at about 2K (I think that's about right). They make percussion sound like you are using a crystal pickup cartridge. Bloody awful.[/quote There is a seller on fleebay that does excellent grado wood cup in a variety of woods. I have bought a couple of sets from him, they are well finished and stylish too. The price is good around £30 uk. I cannot locate him atm but he is based in Canada so may have stopped production for the winter. Keep looking he is around all the time, I search "grado wood" Martin Earpads make a huge difference. I bought something called "Earzonk" pads for cheap, but they made the sound way too dull. No doubt someone on head-fi has a lengthy page on mods to the SR325 earpads...
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Post by bullpup on Apr 3, 2017 16:03:18 GMT
Mine came from the USA - TTVJ I think? I only really use them with Rock so perhaps don't notice their shortcomings.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 3, 2017 18:51:15 GMT
A nice bit of Wilton carpet between the drivers and ears may help smooth things out somewhat
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Post by Chris53 on Apr 3, 2017 20:00:04 GMT
Mine came from the USA - TTVJ I think? I only really use them with Rock so perhaps don't notice their shortcomings. I had found TTVJ since I asked on here and have ordered a set. I somehow doubt that they will do the trick. It's actually on Rock that I notice problems like percussion and vocals that just sound so wrong.
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Post by Chris53 on Apr 3, 2017 20:00:28 GMT
A nice bit of Wilton carpet between the drivers and ears may help smooth things out somewhat Carpet burn in.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 3, 2017 20:48:02 GMT
A nice bit of Wilton carpet between the drivers and ears may help smooth things out somewhat Carpet burn in. Oh yes! you can't beat a nice bit of Wilton.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 21:17:30 GMT
Mine came from the USA - TTVJ I think? I only really use them with Rock so perhaps don't notice their shortcomings. I had found TTVJ since I asked on here and have ordered a set. I somehow doubt that they will do the trick. It's actually on Rock that I notice problems like percussion and vocals that just sound so wrong. I got my Focal Elear from Todd - talked to him on the phone a couple times. Nice guy, easy-going, but he seemed distant....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 21:20:27 GMT
Mine came from the USA - TTVJ I think? I only really use them with Rock so perhaps don't notice their shortcomings. I had found TTVJ since I asked on here and have ordered a set. I somehow doubt that they will do the trick. It's actually on Rock that I notice problems like percussion and vocals that just sound so wrong. Here's the EQ curve I did for the SR325e - note the modest boost of 4 db at 40 hz, but the larger 6 db cuts I did at 2 khz and 7 khz. These smoothed the sound to very hi-fi. (note that the 300 and 3000 hz vertical lines aren't showing)
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Post by bullpup on Apr 4, 2017 17:17:02 GMT
Maybe that's the differnce between the 225's and the 325's. I am pretty sure that when I bought mine years ago the 225's were the sweet spot in the range without forking out for the RS1s. So is the concensus they are all the same drivers in different housings?
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Post by bullpup on Apr 4, 2017 17:18:53 GMT
Oh yes! you can't beat a nice bit of Wilton. Well each to their own - I like a bit of shag myself.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 4, 2017 20:33:49 GMT
A nice bit of Wilton carpet between the drivers and ears may help smooth things out somewhat Carpet burn in. About 4 years with Wilton Chris
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 4, 2017 20:45:59 GMT
That was the carpet veil Dale...... Wilton is king when it comes down to ironing out the Grado grattle but totally useless for phones (makes the caller sound distant and vague / semi stoned). Todd is a very nice guy..... he comes across as a really upbeat / happy guy if you wear an 8 denier stocking on your head (black / white / tan or brown)..... I found it a tad hard understanding him when I was sporting an 8 denier "blue stocking" on my head but I put that down to a connectivity "issue"
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 4, 2017 20:52:55 GMT
Oh yes! you can't beat a nice bit of Wilton. Well each to their own - I like a bit of shag myself. Want deep pile Sir?, you are insane to pass on a bit of Wilton! Wilton is shag pile King...... oh yes! Every home needs a bit of shag pile (and a bit of shagging)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 0:43:48 GMT
Maybe that's the differnce between the 225's and the 325's. I am pretty sure that when I bought mine years ago the 225's were the sweet spot in the range without forking out for the RS1s. So is the concensus they are all the same drivers in different housings? The SR325e metal cups and the GH1 wood cups are as different as night and day, but they were tuned to sound about the same. Some people say the RS series are better, but I haven't tried any.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 0:53:31 GMT
That was the carpet veil Dale...... Wilton is king when it comes down to ironing out the Grado grattle but totally useless for phones (makes the caller sound distant and vague / semi stoned). Todd is a very nice guy..... he comes across as a really upbeat / happy guy if you wear an 8 denier stocking on your head (black / white / tan or brown)..... I found it a tad hard understanding him when I was sporting an 8 denier "blue stocking" on my head but I put that down to a connectivity "issue" Well, Montana is far away from Scotland (whatever...), and ordinarily you could get a good connection for a bit of linguistic gymnastics, but today there are more than a thousand call screeners in the Washington DC area whose job it is to prove that you're really calling from Russia and peddling influence. With the current state of education in the U.S., there are very few call screeners who could tell the difference between a Scot, a Cockney accent, and a Russian. Now you might be scratching your head at this point and wondering, with Trump in charge, why would they need to prove that you're really a Russkie? The answer is, we've become fairly comfortable with the Russian thing now, and since very few people are paying attention anymore, we can (ahem!) get a lot of things done under that cover.
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Post by Chris53 on Apr 13, 2017 15:52:12 GMT
The Grado flat pads arrived the other day. They tamed the midrange and top a bit but the bass is a mess. Back to the AKG's I think. Even my old Senn HD600's sound a bit weird after the AKG's
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 13, 2017 19:20:10 GMT
The Grado flat pads arrived the other day. They tamed the midrange and top a bit but the bass is a mess. Back to the AKG's I think. Even my old Senn HD600's sound a bit weird after the AKG's Give the pads time to bed in Chris or take your shoes off and stand on them for a while / jump up and down on them...... this SERIOUSLY is not a joke by the way. Mike.
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