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Post by mrarroyo on Mar 11, 2010 23:52:37 GMT
Contrary to most members in this forums I believe cables can make a noticeable difference that many times is very easy to hear. This provided you have gear with resolving capacity and you take the time to listen in a quiet environment. I am also one who likes silver and/or silver plated copper cables. However I do not like to pay the high prices and as a norm I by used at about 50% or more in savings over the new price. I should also mention that the most I have paid for a pair of RCA to RCA ICs is $65 USD. FYI, my favorite cable manufacturer for IC's has been Blue Jean Cable at about $35 USD for a three foot long pair of RCA to RCA ICs. Anyways for a long time I have been lusting for a pair of interconnects by Silver Resolution ( signalcable.com/silverresolutionanalog.html ) specially with the matching Silver Bullets. However a pair of these ICs on sale retail for $149 USD plus shipping and handling and I was not willing to pay that much. ;D A week ago a Head Fi member advertised two pairs 2-Feet long w/ silver bullets for $150 including shipping and handling and I snatched them. Yes, over 50% in savings and they look brand new. Here is a picture from the Silver Resolution site, mine look identical.   As far as the specifications ... THE CABLE DESIGN 2 conductors, 5N Silver/Copper Alloy strands (each channel) Insulation for each conductor - thin wall Extruded Teflon Effective gage size per channel - 22awg Shield - braided 5N Silver Plated OFC Outer Jacket - Extruded Teflon Geometry - Internal Twisted ELECTRICAL CHARACTERISTICS Nom. Capacitance - 18.1 pF/ft Nom. Conductor DC Resistance - 20.1 Ù/1000 ft Nom. Inductance - 0.12 µH/ft Anyways the cables arrived today and I immediately placed in my system feeding the Red Wine Audio Signature 30.2 used to drive a K1000 and the second pair to a Singlepower MPX3 Slam SE feeding a highly modded Denon D2000. BTW, both of the cans mentioned have been re-cabled with silver plated copper cables. The first listen surprised me, the cans sounded much darker than 10 minutes earlier when I was using a set of Blue Jean Cables LC-1 interconnects. I left for a few minutes to install a memory upgrade on my net-book (now it has 2 Gb instead of the stock 1 Gb) and upon my return the sound had changed.  The sparkle which had disappeared was back but although the treble extension was as good or better than with the Blue Jean Cables LC-1 it was mellower with even less harshness and less shrillness. This was very surprising since I have always felt the BJC LC-1 cables are very balanced and forgiving, yet the Silver Resolution are a bit more resolving and extended without being overly bright as some silver or silver plated copper cables can be. I was also surprised that 10 minutes or so brought so much change in the top end of the Silver Resolution, I mean these are used cables and even if you believe in burn-in it should have already occurred. So in closing I will be listening over the next few days and hopefully my opinion will not change and these will become my reference rig interconnects. If by any chance I change my mind and they suck, well they will be up for sale.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 0:12:29 GMT
Miguel No, it is not contrary to the majority of RG members. Alex P.S. I believe that the majority of people who prefer silver, or silver plated cables,at least in this forum, are tubeaholics.    |
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Post by FauDrei on Mar 12, 2010 1:09:36 GMT
Cables can and do make a difference, but I consider cable changing/matching to be tuning, not upgrading. You can somewhat "tailor" the sound to your likings on an already good system, but crap will remain crap even with diamond cables.
Cheap ba*tard that I am, the whereabouts of 100€ are my upper limit for all types of cables.
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Post by FauDrei on Mar 12, 2010 1:11:45 GMT
You "recharged" the cables with fresh supply of electrons. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 1:23:05 GMT
You "recharged" the cables with fresh supply of electrons.  I hope that Frans doesn't spot that remark by Miguel ! ;D |
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Post by clausdk on Mar 12, 2010 2:22:55 GMT
You "recharged" the cables with fresh supply of electrons. It is because silver has built in signs, so that the electrons easier can find their way through the cable.  It is really that simple, also silver kills werewolfs copper does not..  LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 3:02:15 GMT
Miguel
I would be looking for something far less obvious. I would suggest that if you haven't done so all ready, to thoroughly clean those plugs with isopropyl alcohol or other proprietary fluid, as well as perhaps inside the RCA sockets with a cotton bud or 2 dipped in a small amount of Isopropyl as well.It may be thermally related due to metal contacts contraction/expansion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 5:36:48 GMT
I agree. I also find it interesting that Miguel almost certainly goes for these cables with silver content, as well as cables with around half the usual capacitance per metre. Blue Jeans LC1 has an extremely low capacitance. This suggests to me that Miguel is trying to improve the top end of valve amplifiers which typically have a much lower overall bandwidth than good solid state designs. In other words, the majority of valve amplifiers are lacking in extreme treble. i.e.they have a slightly "soft" sound. The same reason why so many members love Mike's mods to their X-Cans. I doubt that Miguel would like the sound of these interconnects with his Jaycar amplifier, which isn't lacking in that area ? Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 7:45:04 GMT
You "recharged" the cables with fresh supply of electrons. It is because silver has built in signs, so that the electrons easier can find their way through the cable. It is really that simple, also silver kills werewolfs copper does not.. LOL Exactly. Why do you think silverfish run so fast? Alex, are you sure that the Jaycars don't have too much top end? Ian |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 7:57:52 GMT
@ Alex, I spotted it alright ! I am just ignorant...and ignorance is bliss ;D Electrons travel through cables as marbles pass through a garden hose, this is the theory adopted by 99.9% of the scientists 'belief'.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 8:15:54 GMT
It is because silver has built in signs, so that the electrons easier can find their way through the cable. It is really that simple, also silver kills werewolfs copper does not.. LOL Exactly. Why do you think silverfish run so fast? Alex, are you sure that the Jaycars don't have too much top end? Ian I am sure Ian. Otherwise Miguel would have told me ! So would have the other 112 or more that constructed them ! BTW, where are all the valve mixing consoles these days? I suppose you still travel to your gigs by steam train too ? You could keep Katie company ? www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnL8yeKZ4McOr, perhaps a Surrey with a fringe on top ? Alex |
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Post by clausdk on Mar 12, 2010 9:47:54 GMT
@ Alex, I spotted it alright ! I am just ignorant...and ignorance is bliss ;D Electrons travel through cables as marbles pass through a garden hose, this is the theory adopted by 99.9% of the scientists 'belief'. And everywhere else in fysics electrons are all over the place, we are not even sure it is there, where we think it is there.. ;D ;D But enter a cable and they line up like good soldiers.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 9:56:11 GMT
Are you sure you don't mean like good soldierdudes ? |
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Post by clausdk on Mar 12, 2010 9:59:05 GMT
Are you sure you don't mean like good soldierdudes ? Marvelous |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 12:07:18 GMT
I know sometimes it is difficult to grasp the contents of my remarks. ;D Never said they (the soldierdude electrons) were in line. I just tried to visualize for some interested people HOW electrons pass through cables. (NOT by the speed of light or even the speed of sound) NOT My theory by the way but physicists discoverd this. I don't doubt them as they all agree on this subject. when you put say 1000 soldierdudes in on one end of the cable about a 1000 come out of the other end but they are not the same dudes you did put in on the other side. Some are slowly making their way to the other end. please no discussions on how and what happens if some will hang in there or 1 more or less comes out (= noise b.t.w.). Ask a scientist not me.. But I am sure it MUST cause the unknown signal to deteriorate OR even improve the conductance of 'space' and 'air' between the instruments and the sounsdstage as well and also only affect certain instruments as the cable can tell them apart. These soldierdudes have different helmets on and will be filtered out by the 3F dude at the end of the cable. That must be how the cable works and those stupid manufacturers of 99.9 % of all cables in the world don't even have a clue about those nasty soldierdude buggers in the cables.. LOL I am just an ignorant messenger not the inventor. Ignorance is bliss .. ;D |
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Post by clausdk on Mar 12, 2010 13:27:46 GMT
I know sometimes it is difficult to grasp the contents of my remarks. ;D Never said they (the soldierdude electrons) were in line. I just tried to visualize for some interested people HOW electrons pass through cables. (NOT by the speed of light or even the speed of sound) NOT My theory by the way but physicists discoverd this. I don't doubt them as they all agree on this subject. when you put say 1000 soldierdudes in on one end of the cable about a 1000 come out of the other end but they are not the same dudes you did put in on the other side. Some are slowly making their way to the other end. please no discussions on how and what happens if some will hang in there or 1 more or less comes out (= noise b.t.w.). Ask a scientist not me.. But I am sure it MUST cause the unknown signal to deteriorate OR even improve the conductance of 'space' and 'air' between the instruments and the sounsdstage as well and also only affect certain instruments as the cable can tell them apart. These soldierdudes have different helmets on and will be filtered out by the 3F dude at the end of the cable. That must be how the cable works and those stupid manufacturers of 99.9 % of all cables in the world don't even have a clue about those nasty soldierdude buggers in the cables.. LOL I am just an ignorant messenger not the inventor. Ignorance is bliss .. ;D Maybe it is the soldierdudes that causes jitter Physics is fun, when asking about why something behave as it does, often the reply is, it just does so and we have found it out via experiments I do not know much about electrical components but love quantum psysics, it can make me head spin in a pleasing way.. everything is build on guesses and things we can not prove or disprove.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 14:00:57 GMT
Audio is fun too. " everything is build on guesses and things we can not prove or disprove.." ;D but one can be 100 % percent sure that what one hears is absolutely REAL ? Them are nice looking cables and if they make you smile and enjoy music more then spend the dough and feel happy about them. P.S. the term 'jitter' is often mis-used and a lot of 'strange' things are falsly blamed on 'jitter') Jitter is real and quantify-able/measurable but the effect it may/can/will have is highly dependeant on a lot of factors. Bandwith/speed playing the biggest role. There are nice tutorials about jitter to be found should readers be interested.  Wiki it. The Soldierdudes are responsible for all havoc in every cable used in the audio business. Also in isolators .. they just don't get around that much (like me, car broke down)  |
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Post by Will on Mar 12, 2010 19:07:23 GMT
Miguel, as ever, a well written and informative review. It sounds like you did get a bargain out of it as well. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by mrarroyo on Mar 13, 2010 0:35:00 GMT
Miguel I would be looking for something far less obvious. I would suggest that if you haven't done so all ready, to thoroughly clean those plugs with isopropyl alcohol or other proprietary fluid, as well as perhaps inside the RCA sockets with a cotton bud or 2 dipped in a small amount of Isopropyl as well.It may be thermally related due to metal contacts contraction/expansion. Alex Alex, I took the amps in question to a meet a few weeks ago. So the plugs were unplugged, then plugged, then unplugged, then plugged, then unplugged, and finally plugged. If 6 cycles of unplugging and plugging did not clean the plugs no amount of alcohol would help. |
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Post by mrarroyo on Mar 13, 2010 0:37:26 GMT
I agree. I also find it interesting that Miguel almost certainly goes for these cables with silver content, as well as cables with around half the usual capacitance per metre. Blue Jeans LC1 has an extremely low capacitance. This suggests to me that Miguel is trying to improve the top end of valve amplifiers which typically have a much lower overall bandwidth than good solid state designs. In other words, the majority of valve amplifiers are lacking in extreme treble. i.e.they have a slightly "soft" sound. The same reason why so many members love Mike's mods to their X-Cans. I doubt that Miguel would like the sound of these interconnects with his Jaycar amplifier, which isn't lacking in that area ? Alex There you go again sputtering the Valve versus SS stuff again. Alex, one of the amps is SS and IMO it benefited from the silver plated copper while driving the AKG K1000 which is known for having a great top end. Cheers. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2010 1:23:28 GMT
Miguel IF the AKG1000 have a great top end, and the SS amplifier is half decent, you should not need to resort to very low capacitance leads and /or silver leads to extract a little more from the top end ! Unless you like an over exuberant top end to make up for those ageing ears ? Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2010 1:30:03 GMT
Miguel I would be looking for something far less obvious. I would suggest that if you haven't done so all ready, to thoroughly clean those plugs with isopropyl alcohol or other proprietary fluid, as well as perhaps inside the RCA sockets with a cotton bud or 2 dipped in a small amount of Isopropyl as well.It may be thermally related due to metal contacts contraction/expansion. Alex Alex, I took the amps in question to a meet a few weeks ago. So the plugs were unplugged, then plugged, then unplugged, then plugged, then unplugged, and finally plugged. If 6 cycles of unplugging and plugging did not clean the plugs no amount of alcohol would help. Miguel In that case, I would suggest that something else was happening this time, perhaps due to amplifier reaching it's optimum working point ? I don't doubt that you did hear changes, and I trust what your ears hear, but there is likely to be some other explanation this time. On this particular lone statement , I find myself in agreement with Frans. Regards Alex |
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Post by puffin on Mar 13, 2010 19:58:19 GMT
They look the same as these £30 no postage costs. They are said to be 75ohm which is supposed to be better for analogue as well as digital Sound good to me. www.trichordresearch.com/cables_analogue.htmlBlimey they are £110 1 metre new! I got two pairs £30 each pair. |
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Post by pjc68 on Mar 14, 2010 2:18:21 GMT
Miguel This is about the best thing that i know of for cleaning plugs etc. www.caig.com/ And it,s an american company. regards paddy  |
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Post by mrarroyo on Mar 14, 2010 14:30:40 GMT
Thanks Paddy.
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The sparkle which had disappeared was back but although the treble extension was as good or better than with the Blue Jean Cables LC-1 it was mellower with even less harshness and less shrillness. This was very surprising since I have always felt the BJC LC-1 cables are very balanced and forgiving, yet the Silver Resolution are a bit more resolving and extended without being overly bright as some silver or silver plated copper cables can be. I was also surprised that 10 minutes or so brought so much change in the top end of the Silver Resolution, I mean these are used cables and even if you believe in burn-in it should have already occurred.
