Spin it "rules"....

[PinkFloyd]

I WILL start "moderating" if this Vinyl board starts getting out of control Keep it friendly guys and, if you do fall out, make it up with a handshake in the morning..... (old school style).....

I know this board will get crazy (all good) and I hope to play a major part in it.... let's just try to keep it semi "digital" watching our P's and Q's.... as much as I'd love 100% analogue discussion online it's not possible these days, there are certain things that "cannot" be said....... anyways, you all know that

OK...... this forum is unmoderated...... YOU are responsible for your own moderation..... please make it work you old reprobates.

Mike.

[Deleted]

OK...... this forum is unmoderated...... YOU are responsible for your own moderation..... please make it work you old reprobates.

Perhaps those who prefer digital should leave the vinyl addicts to their own little Wankfest ?

[PinkFloyd]

Jan 29, 2010 0:32:27 GMT @sandyk said:

OK...... this forum is unmoderated...... YOU are responsible for your own moderation..... please make it work you old reprobates.

Perhaps those who prefer digital should leave the vinyl addicts to their own little Wankfest ?

Put the needle in the groove baby

Let the analogue wanking begin

[XTRProf]

Jan 29, 2010 0:16:58 GMT PinkFloyd said:

I WILL start "moderating" if this Vinyl board starts getting out of control Keep it friendly guys and, if you do fall out, make it up with a handshake in the morning..... (old school style).....

I know this board will get crazy (all good) and I hope to play a major part in it.... let's just try to keep it semi "digital" watching our P's and Q's.... as much as I'd love 100% analogue discussion online it's not possible these days, there are certain things that "cannot" be said....... anyways, you all know that

OK...... this forum is unmoderated...... YOU are responsible for your own moderation..... please make it work you old reprobates.

Mike.

Great! It's about time as many other forums do have a vinyl section for those diehards or should I say cannot-dies. Vinyl is making a comeback and going north whereas CD sales is going south.

Also, since you don't have a TT now, take over from Derek his, after his go digital declaration thread, and the collections provided the collections is muzak to you and the TT is up to your expectation.

[XTRProf]

Jan 29, 2010 0:37:10 GMT PinkFloyd said:

Jan 29, 2010 0:32:27 GMT @sandyk said:

Perhaps those who prefer digital should leave the vinyl addicts to their own little Wankfest ?

Put the needle in the groove baby

Let the analogue wanking begin

Hey, that's not groovy and sexy enough. You must tweak to have some nostalgia in your promo, man, especially for TT! At least, the TT oldies and disbelievers will be swelled to return to the needle in the groove after all the digital debates!







Isn't she wonderful! Er, I mean musically ..............

Oh, sorry, I have forgotten you are a progressive rock guy ...........

[XTRProf]

Wow, look at the super duber TT clamp in the TT song video! Ok, it's weight. I didn't know they are already using weights at that time for TT? A super one as well! ;D

[robertkd]

Yes I have already commented on the use of a weight as used in broadcast

here

rockgrotto.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=vinyldiscussion&thread=4976&page=3#61172

[rowuk]

Half of the TT experience is the listeners involvement in the process. Whether that is cleaning the stylus, record or the 200% TLC to keep everything pristine, it is most certainly celebration at its best. Where I listen to digital media, I enjoy playing records. Recently, I built a tone arm. Now my records are even more fun.

[Deleted]

it is most certainly celebration at its best

Perhaps it is to some people. To many others, it is just a pain in the arse that detracts from more time spent actually listening to music.

[XTRProf]

Jan 21, 2011 22:12:50 GMT @sandyk said:

it is most certainly celebration at its best

Perhaps it is to some people. To many others, it is just a pain in the arse that detracts from more time spent actually listening to music.

Oh, actually listening to music thru a properly setup TT is more enjoyable and fun than thru digital media. It's more of a LIVE equivalent than digital. Anyway, I can live with both, I declare.

[rowuk]

Jan 21, 2011 22:12:50 GMT @sandyk said:

it is most certainly celebration at its best

Perhaps it is to some people. To many others, it is just a pain in the arse that detracts from more time spent actually listening to music.

I now understand. Digital is the toilet paper for the ex analog afficiando. Kind of an excremental division of work and hobby.

My new tonearm is doing such a really good job on my records. Now I need an upgrade for the digital playback chain in the living room............

A lot of my records are 30+ years old and still going strong.

[XTRProf]

Jan 21, 2011 23:27:46 GMT rowuk said:

I now understand. Digital is the toilet paper for the ex analog afficiando. Kind of an excremental division of work and hobby.

;D ;D ;D

Jan 21, 2011 23:27:46 GMT rowuk said:

My new tonearm is doing such a really good job on my records. Now I need an upgrade for the digital playback chain in the living room............

Heh, heh, heh ................ You heard the difference unlike Alex. Probably, he used to listen to TT from the toilet with all the background sound and smell there masking and distorting a proper listen.

[Deleted]

Jan 21, 2011 23:33:39 GMT XTRProf said:

Jan 21, 2011 23:27:46 GMT rowuk said:

I now understand. Digital is the toilet paper for the ex analog afficiando. Kind of an excremental division of work and hobby.

;D ;D ;D

Jan 21, 2011 23:27:46 GMT rowuk said:

My new tonearm is doing such a really good job on my records. Now I need an upgrade for the digital playback chain in the living room............

Heh, heh, heh ................ You heard the difference unlike Alex. Probably, he used to listen to TT from the toilet with all the background sound and smell there masking and distorting a proper listen.

You guys keep playing your old vinyl until the HF all but disappears. But that's alright, as you are getting older and will not notice it ! :-*r Classical musos on the other hand, can make up for the loss of information using their remaining brain cells to imagine that it is still all there, just like they do when playing 128KBS Mega Poop 3.They often aren't really listening to the performance, but just mentally inserting themselves into the action, as they feel they can do better ?
As for newer vinyl releases, almost all of them are created from original digital material, but they like the sound that all the artificial turntable and cartridge resonances imparts to the original digital recording.
BTW Chong, what is all this preoccupation with shit recently ?
Are you entering into a 2nd childhood ?
How's about we stop posting garbage about bodily functions ?

[elysion]

I guess Lini (Manfred) would be happy if there's a little bit more action in the vinyl section.

[rowuk]

Hey Alex,
that is what I am doing, playing my vinyl until the HF is gone. From the sound of it, that will take another 30 years at least.

I have to admit, listening to records is different than listening to fine digital. With numeric reproduction, I find myself zapping to the next title if something gets boring. With vinyl, I stay put and get the whole performance in the order that the conductor intended it. Many times I discover the reason why a certain movement is the way it is after discovering the total context.

As far as projecting myself into .mp3 performances, haven't caught myself yet. I am not quite old enough to start thinking about what I can leave out without most of the audience realizing it.

Alex, perhaps there is a facet that is not so important to your listening. There are hundreds of versions of Beethovens 5th symphony for instance. They are all different and if there happens to be a version that I am not familiar with on internet radio, it can become musically involving - regardless of the artifacts. It is possible that that version is not even available for purchase. If I were only listening to typical studio pop productions where there is only one version, then I am with you. Optimally ripped source played back from the best possible media can't be beat.

I go to live concerts and often listen to works that I have experienced myself or with other orchestras. Every conductor has his own stamp. Some deserve no better than .mp3. As these sonic events are unique, an additional dimension is available for determining ultimate qualits/suitability for personal taste. To write off a performance because of bad acoustics or method of reproduction means that we miss a lot of inspired notes.

[Deleted]

I have to admit, listening to records is different than listening to fine digital. With numeric reproduction, I find myself zapping to the next title if something gets boring. With vinyl, I stay put and get the whole performance in the order that the conductor intended it.

Hi Robin
I agree that vinyl may result in you getting. more out of a performance. It is all too easy in the era of the remote control to skip things that may not be of immediate interest.
Perhaps people would get more out of digital performances too, if they gave the remote control to another member of the family for a few hours ?
I feel sure that you realise what I said was also coloured by the "tone"of the previous posts from yourself and "mr. music is better than sex".
BTW, interesting TT. It did initially make me think of a remote controlled dunny.Perhaps that was due though to Chong's recent fixation on excrement ?
Regards
Alex

[PinkFloyd]

BTW Chong, what is all this preoccupation with shit recently ?

Maybe he is into anal "play"

The mind boggles

[rowuk]

At least for me: resonant instruments in resonant rooms being recorded by resonant microphones and played back by resonant speakers in resonant rooms..................... I remember an analogy from the early 80s when comparing digital with its sampling frequencies to analogue: if you turn a fine steak into hamburger by sampling it, you can form it back into a steak shape, but it will never have the original grain or texture.

I am happy that my digital recording and playback gear manage to keep the original flavour. It still ij nice to be able to listen to my collection of antiques at a very high level of quality though.

Analogue does not get more out of a performance. My record deck lets me enjoy thousands of hours of records that will never be available digitally commercially.

[Deleted]

Jan 26, 2011 23:45:05 GMT rowuk said:

At least for me: resonant instruments in resonant rooms being recorded by resonant microphones and played back by resonant speakers in resonant rooms..................... I remember an analogy from the early 80s when comparing digital with its sampling frequencies to analogue: if you turn a fine steak into hamburger by sampling it, you can form it back into a steak shape, but it will never have the original grain or texture.

I am happy that my digital recording and playback gear manage to keep the original flavour. It still ij nice to be able to listen to my collection of antiques at a very high level of quality though.

Analogue does not get more out of a performance. My record deck lets me enjoy thousands of hours of records that will never be available digitally commercially.

Robin
That reminds me that when I was in my teens my mother used to bring home from the butchers what they called "steakettes"
Somehow, I have more fine memories of those finely minced and formed steakettes than I do of today's hamburgers !
A Higher bit rate ?
Alex
P.S.
Ignoring the resonant part, I completely agree with the rest.
Many fine analogue performances never made it to CD.

[rowuk]

Jan 27, 2011 4:18:13 GMT @sandyk said:

Jan 26, 2011 23:45:05 GMT rowuk said:

At least for me: resonant instruments in resonant rooms being recorded by resonant microphones and played back by resonant speakers in resonant rooms..................... I remember an analogy from the early 80s when comparing digital with its sampling frequencies to analogue: if you turn a fine steak into hamburger by sampling it, you can form it back into a steak shape, but it will never have the original grain or texture.

I am happy that my digital recording and playback gear manage to keep the original flavour. It still ij nice to be able to listen to my collection of antiques at a very high level of quality though.

Analogue does not get more out of a performance. My record deck lets me enjoy thousands of hours of records that will never be available digitally commercially.

Robin
That reminds me that when I was in my teens my mother used to bring home from the butchers what they called "steakettes"
Somehow, I have more fine memories of those finely minced and formed steakettes than I do of today's hamburgers !
A Higher bit rate ?
Alex
P.S.
Ignoring the resonant part, I completely agree with the rest.
Many fine analogue performances never made it to CD.

Almost all the music that I listen to started life analogue........ Including most of the CDs that I perform on.

I do know some violin players that were sampled to death. They are paying alimony to several wives and children at the same time.

[jc]

Jan 29, 2010 0:16:58 GMT PinkFloyd said:

...you old reprobates.

Mike.

A born again reprobate! The return of the Manticore Mantra

Like a pheonix from the flames it has reawakened to turn some of the black stuff, grind along the groove and spit out some vintage moozac.

In lower spec. this time time around, the Alphason XenonMCS and the ATOC9MLii were sold on but the Mantra refused to leave, choosing hibernation instead.
Now sporting a Rega 250 and Goldring Elan, hooked up to a makeshift system of NAD 3150 and Heco I220s. Not the highly refined beast is was but still good fun and does not disgrace itself, plus I get to hear all those LPs that I still don't have on other formats!

[Nigel]

What a beauty. Never heard a Mantra. How do they compare with say a Linn Axis / Pink Triangle Little Pink Thing?

[jc]

For me the Mantra ticks far more boxes than the Axis ever could, which sounds both dull and anaemic by comparison IMO. When I bought my first Mantra/Rega 250 I compared it against a Axis/Basik which was blown away.
The Mantra has some of the benefits, sound wise, that the LP12 has over the Axis but with a different overall tone.
The LPT was another animal altogether for sound, very accomplished, better than the Mantra and a bit embarrasing for the standard LP12! It's only problems were poor/variable finish and falling apart lids.

Of all that price level of decks the Townshend Avalon/Rega combo was my favourite, it was just so right. Like rocking horse poo now, not many were made (I believe price of production killed it off) and those you do see tend to be incomplete or have a Linn cut for the arm, which is unfortunate as the Basik and Akito sound awful on it! Then a little later there was also the Michell Mycro, even more superb and again dropped from the range with not many built, as the pricing and performance was getiing too close to the Gyrodek.

My first Mantra only got side lined by the rather fab original Xerxes, which, if you're trying to get a handle on my preferences, I massively prefer to the LP12 but the ultimate at that sort of pricing, albeit later on, was the PT Anniversary. Personally I thought the Alphason Sonata took the LP12 approach to sound balance and did it a lot better. Very well engineered but a tad fugly with those three towers sticking up from the deck.

What I've never heard it is what you have Nigel, a pimped up 1200mkii!