CD versus vinyl LP - CD wins.

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Dec 13, 2010 8:42:12 GMT @sandyk said:

Dec 13, 2010 8:29:07 GMT @cjarchez said:

For me it's the basic convenience of the digital format(s) that is winning through.

As I've said before, in MY system vinyl is still king, though there is, albeit painfully slow, progress in MY digital playback which is becoming more pleasing a bit ( ) at a time.

Perhaps you need a new CD player like Mick's new player?
After reading what was inside that player, I only wish that I could afford one to replace my much modified Marantz CD65 that simply wore out. There appears to be some interesting modification possibilities with that player too, due to the separate transformers instead of today's crappy SMPS types.It doesn't appear to be available in Australia though, perhaps due to it weighing much more than most ?

I don't doubt that but, like you, I can't justify the expenditure

[XTRProf]

Hey,

How come you become CJ - Conrad Johnson or Chief Justice?

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Dec 13, 2010 13:04:17 GMT XTRProf said:

Hey,

How come you become CJ - Conrad Johnson or Chief Justice?

CrackerJack!
(sorry, you need to know English old kiddy shows for that one)



The "archez" bit was the name of my village that I tagged on, I dumped it and the drumming avatar in a fit of "why am I living in the past?"

The cj is my real identity = Creutzfeldt-Jakob

[Will]

Chris,

Have you had a new hair-do as well, new day, new man?

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[Nigel]

This looks a beauty if your after a cd player, Chris.

www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=90750

(NB. I have no connection with the sale, always wanted to hear one of these though)

[Nigel]

The person who started this thread has an apt surname for not liking turntables.

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Dec 14, 2010 22:26:21 GMT Nigel said:

The person who started this thread has an apt surname for not liking turntables.

Do TTs have rumble ?
I am shocked and dismayed to learn that !

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Dec 14, 2010 22:08:38 GMT Nigel said:

This looks a beauty if your after a cd player, Chris.

www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=90750

(NB. I have no connection with the sale, always wanted to hear one of these though)

Thanks for the thought Nigel.

The CD94 and 94II were incredible players in their day, along with the CDA94 dac.
Unfortunately I think age is against them now, if your laser fails you're stuffed, no replacement available.

It would be interesting to put it head to head with either my Meridian 506.24 or Micks new Roksan M2. My gut feeling is that it would give my Meridian a good run, not so sure how it would fare against the Roksan though...

[mrpharmacist]

For listening/drinking sessions it's got to be vinyl. There's the tactile aspect of the record-getting it out, cleaning, putting it on, clamping it, cueing, the needle bobbing a bit as it leaves the lead in groove... Then there's the cover art which is the right size after a few. And lastly we have the appreciation of something which is mechanically producing sound. For being lit up like Xmas, CDs end up feeling like you're spending it in a nursing home.

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Dec 14, 2010 22:26:21 GMT Nigel said:

The person who started this thread has an apt surname for not liking turntables.

I have only just read this - how observant of you! Well done. Rememebr though - I am not syaing CD is better than vinyl - but, for me, it is. Not for anyone else. Make your own minds up. We are all free individuals.

HiFiDez

aka:

Derek Rumble

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For me, it's not 'analogue' that's the issue... it's VINYL. Analogue good, vinyl bad IMO.


Fast moving mag tape is fabulous, hi-res digital is its equal, and maybe even better, - but vinyl? Why add such a complex arrangement of distortions and colourations to the original and then think it's the better solution - but I made my point before! For me 'dig' wins.

Derek Rumble or should that be Derek 'Jitter' ?

D.

[rkay5]

Vinyl play just sounds more real!

[Nigel]

Yeah, vinyl is where its at. Stirs all the emotions.

[Deleted]

I would love to see vinyl come even remotely close to what I can now get from the 1985 "Dire Straits-Love Over Gold" CD.
PM me if you would like to hear a track or 2.
Regards
Alex

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I would love to see vinyl come even remotely close to what I can now get from the 1985 "Dire Straits-Love Over Gold" CD.

X2 on that one Alex.

I find that good CD tracks transferred to computer HD then replayed from same computer via Cplay is hard to beat, vinyl on my system sounds good also but better when transferred to same computer HD
and replayed via Cplay....................................of course out of my large collection of vinyl I've so far only found a handful of them which are above average quality and worth spending time on.
Regards,
Alan

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Apr 3, 2013 23:57:23 GMT drymdrum said:

I would love to see vinyl come even remotely close to what I can now get from the 1985 "Dire Straits-Love Over Gold" CD.

X2 on that one Alex.

I find that good CD tracks transferred to computer HD then replayed from same computer via Cplay is hard to beat, vinyl on my system sounds good also but better when transferred to same computer HD
and replayed via Cplay....................................of course out of my large collection of vinyl I've so far only found a handful of them which are above average quality and worth spending time on.
Regards,
Alan

Hi Alan
I have now found that my new W8/64 PC does an even better job with replay using the same hardware and playback software.
My latest rip was made using W8/64.I don't need to rip in Safe Mode anymore for best results either.

Kind Regards
Alex

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Hmmmm

OK my take is that digital and LP playback sound errrr different with one no better than the other but the cost of a really good LP playback system is slightly higher compared to CD.

Much also depends on the production and mastering involved and yes let’s be honest some of those early CD players sounded rubbish.

So which is better?

All down to personal taste and expectations IMHO.

Take care

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Vinyl Wins!

What about purchasing a brand new LP, taking off the cellophane wrapper and smelling the cover, especially a gatefold, hmmmmmmm, nothing like it, plus the new vinyl itself and the anticipation of playing it.

You also have the very visual playing action of the record player to enjoy while listening,

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp. F$£@,F$£@,F$£@!

CD Wins

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Wow, this old thread !

Jul 24, 2013 14:08:19 GMT @cjarchez said:

Vinyl Wins!

What about purchasing a brand new LP, taking off the cellophane wrapper and smelling the cover, especially a gatefold, hmmmmmmm, nothing like it, plus the new vinyl itself and the anticipation of playing it.

You also have the very visual playing action of the record player to enjoy while listening,

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp. F$£@,F$£@,F$£@!

CD Wins

As you say... brand new LP, taking off the cellophane wrapper and smelling the cover, especially a gatefold, ..... plus the new vinyl itself and the anticipation of playing it.

And then putting it on the turntable to see that it's warped AND off-centre and there are huge clicks in the quietest parts of the disc, and even pre-echo before the music starts.

Then back to the record shop to ask for a replacemnt and the guy behind the counter isn't impressed because you're a hi-fi nut who expects too much from records.

Well that was typical of my experience anyway

And I'll say again what I said before - if you take a totally good analogue tape recording and then cut the lacquer, and then do all the things you have to do to make the stamper and press the disc.. how on earth can the resulting vinyl disc be anywhere close to that analogue master tape? It's a lossy, distortion-ridden process.. and that's BEFORE you add yet more layers of distortion that come from the stylus / arm / turntable system.

I TOTALLY understand anyone LIKING vinyl records. But it ain't for me.

Derek

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My tuppence worth : -

I remember giving my reasons why I preferred CD in an exchange of emails with a friend a couple of years ago. He would always argue that his £2000 deck sounded better than my £2000 CDP. Of course he would conveniently forget that in order to actually hear anything, you had to add on the arm, cartridge and phonostage, which in his case added another £1800 to the TT. So hardly fair to compare a £3800 source to a £2000 one. This is a very common mistake amongst vinylistas. They always quote the price of their deck, forgetting the rest.



My argument was that I love to listen in very low light conditions, either all lights dimmed or sometimes just a couple of candles when I'm having a night with 'Kate' .   I also like to have a 'magic coke' or three as well .  Apart from the fact that having to get up and constantly change sides completely destroys the mood, the idea of juggling a £1000 arm with a £400 MC on the end, in very low light and having had a few refreshments, fills me (and my wallet) with terror 



Factor in all the usual arguments about 'Rice Crispies' (snap, crackle and pop), warped records, off centre holes, the whole palaver about special inner sleeves, anti-static brushes, wet cleaning, cartridge alignment, vertical tracking?, various other pieces of nonsense concerning the geometry of the arm etc, etc, - and not forgetting one you don't usually hear, namely storage.

I have approx. 1800 C.D.'s and its becoming difficult to quickly find certain discs when I want to (I think it will soon be time to go the Media player/NAS route - I really fancy a Squeezebox)). They take up the best part of one wall of my dining room (listening room) in floor to ceiling Ikea racks. I think I would have to build an extension to our extension to house 1800+ vinyl albums, and by god I'd have to reinforce the floor! And If I'm beginning to find it difficult to locate particular CD's quickly, with the artist and title written clearly on the 'spine' of the jewel case, what chance would I have with 1800 albums crammed into racks


No thanks.



At the moment I am listening to an H.D.C.D. mastering of Tubular Bells, with just a dimmed table lamp for illumination, I'm now on my third Morgans and coke and I'm feeling nicely chilled.




Vinyl?    Not interested.   

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Jul 24, 2013 21:01:23 GMT @ekbluesboy said:

My tuppence worth : -

I remember giving my reasons why I preferred CD in an exchange of emails with a friend a couple of years ago. He would always argue that his £2000 deck sounded better than my £2000 CDP. Of course he would conveniently forget that in order to actually hear anything, you had to add on the arm, cartridge and phonostage, which in his case added another £1800 to the TT. So hardly fair to compare a £3800 source to a £2000 one. This is a very common mistake amongst vinylistas. They always quote the price of their deck, forgetting the rest.



My argument was that I love to listen in very low light conditions, either all lights dimmed or sometimes just a couple of candles when I'm having a night with 'Kate' .   I also like to have a 'magic coke' or three as well .  Apart from the fact that having to get up and constantly change sides completely destroys the mood, the idea of juggling a £1000 arm with a £400 MC on the end, in very low light and having had a few refreshments, fills me (and my wallet) with terror 



Factor in all the usual arguments about 'Rice Crispies' (snap, crackle and pop), warped records, off centre holes, the whole palaver about special inner sleeves, anti-static brushes, wet cleaning, cartridge alignment, vertical tracking?, various other pieces of nonsense concerning the geometry of the arm etc, etc, - and not forgetting one you don't usually hear, namely storage.

I have approx. 1800 C.D.'s and its becoming difficult to quickly find certain discs when I want to (I think it will soon be time to go the Media player/NAS route - I really fancy a Squeezebox)). They take up the best part of one wall of my dining room (listening room) in floor to ceiling Ikea racks. I think I would have to build an extension to our extension to house 1800+ vinyl albums, and by god I'd have to reinforce the floor! And If I'm beginning to find it difficult to locate particular CD's quickly, with the artist and title written clearly on the 'spine' of the jewel case, what chance would I have with 1800 albums crammed into racks

No thanks.

At the moment I am listening to an H.D.C.D. mastering of Tubular Bells, with just a dimmed table lamp for illumination, I'm now on my third Morgans and coke and I'm feeling nicely chilled.




Vinyl?    Not interested.   

Hi Jeff
Finally I have managed to take my system to a level that I knew it is capable of, and vinyl doesn't even come remotely close now.
A couple of days ago I bought an Oppo BDP-103, and I am now able to plug in my highest quality PC rips that I have stored on a Corsair Voyager USB memory stick.
A friend and myself had already proved that even with an Oppo 95, that first plugging the Corsair into a +5V JLH PSU then a modified USB cable further improves the USB performance of these 2 model Oppos , which like a PC use SMPS for powering the USB port. David2vk had already brought his Oppo 95 over several months ago , and I was blown away with it's performance this way.
I had been lusting after the cheaper later model Oppo for several months now. It appears that bricks and mortar HiFi dealers are presently doing it tough, because Len Wallis Audio in Sydney were happy to match my best ebay price from Australia.

Kind Regards
Alex .

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Crikey Alex, just looked at the feature set for the Oppo  BDP-103  

I notice that it it doesn't make your coffee in the morning - very poor

Sounds like a superb player/streamer.

I will definitely have to start thinking about ripping my CD's to wav on a couple of 3Tb drives in RAid config in a NAS box with a 24/192 capable dac so I can listen to Hi-res files.

Talk about p***ing all over vinyl 

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Hi Jeff
As good as the standard Oppos are with Analogue Out, I get best results by feeding it's output via coax SPDIF into my highly modified S.C. DAC as described in that thread. I am now also able to compare it's direct CD play vs. that of the PC route by plugging in the Corsair Voyager with the same tracks as the CDs. Even a compilation CD like you tried burning, and then caused me to send a couple to Barry Diament, sounds pretty damn good, and the differences between the tracks are quite obvious, despite identical check sums.
I haven't tried it with SACD yet though, or DSD Dl's. Like previous Oppos it even comes with a cloth carry bag rather like a fancy supermarket type bag, and was very well packaged. Even the user's manual is first class, and printed on on thick paper.

Kind Regards
Alex

www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/

[Crispy]

Jul 24, 2013 21:01:23 GMT @ekbluesboy said:

My tuppence worth : -

I remember giving my reasons why I preferred CD in an exchange of emails with a friend a couple of years ago. He would always argue that his £2000 deck sounded better than my £2000 CDP. Of course he would conveniently forget that in order to actually hear anything, you had to add on the arm, cartridge and phonostage, which in his case added another £1800 to the TT. So hardly fair to compare a £3800 source to a £2000 one. This is a very common mistake amongst vinylistas. They always quote the price of their deck, forgetting the rest.



My argument was that I love to listen in very low light conditions, either all lights dimmed or sometimes just a couple of candles when I'm having a night with 'Kate' .   I also like to have a 'magic coke' or three as well .  Apart from the fact that having to get up and constantly change sides completely destroys the mood, the idea of juggling a £1000 arm with a £400 MC on the end, in very low light and having had a few refreshments, fills me (and my wallet) with terror 



Factor in all the usual arguments about 'Rice Crispies' (snap, crackle and pop), warped records, off centre holes, the whole palaver about special inner sleeves, anti-static brushes, wet cleaning, cartridge alignment, vertical tracking?, various other pieces of nonsense concerning the geometry of the arm etc, etc, - and not forgetting one you don't usually hear, namely storage.

I have approx. 1800 C.D.'s and its becoming difficult to quickly find certain discs when I want to (I think it will soon be time to go the Media player/NAS route - I really fancy a Squeezebox)). They take up the best part of one wall of my dining room (listening room) in floor to ceiling Ikea racks. I think I would have to build an extension to our extension to house 1800+ vinyl albums, and by god I'd have to reinforce the floor! And If I'm beginning to find it difficult to locate particular CD's quickly, with the artist and title written clearly on the 'spine' of the jewel case, what chance would I have with 1800 albums crammed into racks


No thanks.



At the moment I am listening to an H.D.C.D. mastering of Tubular Bells, with just a dimmed table lamp for illumination, I'm now on my third Morgans and coke and I'm feeling nicely chilled.




Vinyl?    Not interested.   

I totally agree Jeff.
Exactly the same reasons why I got rid of my record player.
As for storage of CD's I keep mine in a DJ box (see below) it holds 1,000 CD's - removed from their jewel cases and I have a numbering system on my computer that I print out and can easily find what I want within seconds.  Storage space is at a minimum, the only downside is sometimes you want to read the cover notes and they are not there.  I store the jewel cases away in my loft.