Michell Gyrodeck

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Nigel
Just to start the ball rolling for you :

www.divineaudio.co.uk/hi-fi/turntables/michell-engineering-gyrodec-turntable/prod_523.html

I listened to one of these at a friend's place last weekend. It had a Shibata Stylus fitted, ánd yes it did sound very good indeed . BUT it would bloody well want to at the quoted price !
Unfortunately, to extract very high performance from it, you also need to spend quite a bit extra for a decent RIAA preamp.
On this occasion we used a fully discrete phono preamp that I had incorporated into a preamp that I made >15years ago.
When playing the 1/2 speed mastered copy of "Carole King-Tapestry" there were no noticeable clicks or plops when playing this album.
My friend and myself hope to extract even more out of this combination by using a JLH for the RIAA preamp's +-15V supply.
SandyK

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Question:

Can you tell me why a CD and a Mastertape/file sounds exactly the same but when you play a vinyl record that is pressed of the same source the sound is different ?

That a vinyl record can 'sound' better (due to compression and filtering, cutting process) does not mean it IS better.
But vinyl shure can sound nice, no argument about that.

I, for one, don't like the sound to differ from the original recording though.

Solderdude

[Spirit]

Looks pretty awesome too ;D

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Can you tell me why a CD and a Mastertape/file sounds exactly the same but when you play a vinyl record that is pressed of the same source the sound is different ?

solderdude
That is a good question for the members of the forum who prefer vinyl.
If you have seen my posts elsewhere, you will know that I do not prefer vinyl over a well recorded CD. This post was my way of being supportive of Nigel in his new section of the forum, and to help get the ball rolling.
SandyK

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SandyK

Have read some threads but not a lot and not about vinyl and Amps (mostly HD681 thread for obvious reasons ).
This is why I was curious on views/opinions in the RG on this subject ...

I do like the looks and feel of nicely made machinery such as turntables but do not use vinyl myself for obvious reasons.
I have some turntables and lots of records on the attick somewhere.. from days gone by... cathing dust ... shame on me )

Solderdude

[Nigel]

Alex,

Did your friend use the Gyro's supplied record clamp throughout your listening session?

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Jan 28, 2010 9:17:20 GMT Nigel said:

Alex,

Did your friend use the Gyro's supplied record clamp throughout your listening session?

Nigel
I didn't check. I just sat back in a chair with a cold drink and listened. Bear in mind, that although my friend's apartment overlooked Newport Beach in Sydney, it was >40C outside at the time !
Alex

[Nigel]

Steady!

No mention of beaches.

You'll end up with Miguel posting bikinis & breasts.

[Nigel]

Mind you that's pretty damn hot. I'm surprised you or Robert haven't mentioned how records warp in strong sunlight. Maybe Australian summers are not suitable for vinyl replay.

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Jan 28, 2010 10:35:06 GMT Nigel said:

Mind you that's pretty damn hot. I'm surprised you or Robert haven't mentioned how records warp in strong sunlight. Maybe Australian summers are not suitable for vinyl replay.

Nigel
I guess that Robert and myself have tried to give you a lead in to your new section without rubbishing the medium too much.
Rest assured, you are likely to get enough of that soon enough !
Alex
P.S.
You could try answering the question that 'Solderdude" asked.

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Firstly, nice to see the analogue section.

I listened to one of these at a friend's place last weekend. It had a Shibata Stylus fitted, ánd yes it did sound very good indeed .

Alex,
Any more info? Tonearm? Which cartridge?

I've heard a Shibata once, on an AT12, Clearaudio Emotion package (older version).

The Gyrodeck has to be the original beauty of the turntable world, timeless looks and sounds great to boot.

Nigel,
Although I'm currently looking over the fence to digital, with an eagerness to jump over, amoungst my current armoury the turntable is by far the best playback medium I have.

[guadixman]

Mitchel Gyro,
WAD and WD that grew from it's ashes is a fanatically vinyl and valve forum that's why Leo, myself and so many others left.

So it makes a good platform to discuss TTs.

Many members spent lots of money on Gyros and all the mods and on the Mitchell Techno arms - and then sold them on.

Before that most had got suckered into the Sondek and all the bollocks of Nirvana /Valhalla and all the other expensive mods that came along and then sold them on to get suckered into the above.

It was seeing my music guru getting conned into parting with money on the Sondek scam that stopped me getting into buying serious hi-fi gear for over thirty years. Every time he got parted from his money he enthused over how much better the sound was - I could'nt tell any real difference.

That the Sondek had an engaging sound was true and it transpired that many were pining for this highly coloured sound and after the Gyro, became obsessed and I use that word correctly into the Idler fantasy - Garrard to be precise.

The Gyro is to be sure a very sterile sound - but it looks good.

Then someone came onto the forum who really did know his onions one James Doddington. There was an arsehole (an IT manager) who told him that he did'nt know what he was talking about.

So James put his CV on the forum - apart from having commercially produced amps in the 70's he was one of those who set the DVD A standard in the USA. The arsehole did'nt have the balls to come back with an apology, in fact he never returned - what good news.

He (James) then informed the forum of what he actually used at home and surprise, surprise he was a DD man. Of course he gave his reasons, all soundly based on real experience and qualifications.

The Idler crowd who apart from a couple were like a crowd of brownshirts that always attacked in numbers had to keep their mouths shut or appear as real idiots.

I came into the picture relating what a huge surprise the Technics SL120 had been for me. I asked James if he could compile a list of the Japanese DD 'superdecks' which he duly did and that's how I came to own a Kenwood KD 990.

The engineering on those superdecks showed just why the Japanese are master engineers in so many industries. He also really pissed them off being a 103 man. This man is not poor he can afford the best but this is his choice. He also stated that the arm on the |Kennie was the best of the gimbal arms - that pissed off the Mitchel Techno arm crowd.

Slowly but surely the brownshirt crowd began sniping (inferiority complexes) and James dissappeared.

Rumble - not on my deck, SN ratio -90db. The Garrard is an agricultural piece of gear compared to the Kenwood. To even get into the same universe you have to have a better bearing fitted this is still crap compared to the Kennie where the bearing assembly is symbiotic with the brushless DC motor.

I know why the suspended and Idler crowd don't (will not) like DD superdecks - they are silent, they do not impart warmth/colour or any other bad engineering facets onto the music. They rotate exactly at the 33, 45 speeds.

The only thing I could do to 'improve' what I was hearing is to use 50mm slate 'cheating feet' which themselves sit on a beautiful slab of 30mm Galician slate. I also sit my CDP on a 30mm slab of slate as well.

What does this do for both mediums - the slate gives a feeling of prescence.

If you like a highly coloured sound - go for a suspended or Idler deck - if you want neutrality that just lets the music present itself buy a s/hand Japanese superdeck but a word of warning, if you do, change all the caps and resistors especially the PSU caps. After all the decks can be anything up to 30 years old - I did'nt and paid the price. You only need quality commercial caps and Rs so the price is not high and that's it.

If the bearing assembly has been kept supplied with a slick 50 type oil it will be in the same condition as the day it left the factory.

If you like your music highly coloured or sterile that's fine by me. I like mine to be neutral - it's all a matter of taste and one type is not better than another though there are plenty of style fascists who will tell you different - you pays yer money

[PinkFloyd]

Interesting Stuart ;D thanks for that enlightening post

[PinkFloyd]

By the way, I WILL start "moderating" if this Vinyl board starts getting out of control Keep it friendly guys and, if you do fall out, make it up with a handshake in the morning..... (old school style).....

I know this board will get crazy (all good) and I hope to play a major part in it.... let's just try to keep it semi "digital" watching our P's and Q's.... as much as I'd love 100% analogue discussion online it's not possible these days, there are certain things that "cannot" be said....... anyways, you all know that

OK...... this forum is unmoderated...... YOU are responsible for your own moderation..... please make it work

Mike.

Ok, continue as you were!

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Jan 28, 2010 2:53:31 GMT @sandyk said:

Nigel
Just to start the ball rolling for you :

www.divineaudio.co.uk/hi-fi/turntables/michell-engineering-gyrodec-turntable/prod_523.html

I listened to one of these at a friend's place last weekend. It had a Shibata Stylus fitted, ánd yes it did sound very good indeed . BUT it would bloody well want to at the quoted price ! :o
Unfortunately, to extract very high performance from it, you also need to spend quite a bit extra for a decent RIAA preamp.
On this occasion we used a fully discrete phono preamp that I had incorporated into a preamp that I made >15years ago.
When playing the 1/2 speed mastered copy of "Carole King-Tapestry" there were no noticeable clicks or plops when playing this album.
My friend and myself hope to extract even more out of this combination by using a JLH for the RIAA preamp's +-15V supply.
SandyK

I have the gyrodec and am very happy with it.
It was a gift for my birthday so represents stunning value, as I'm sure you'll appreciate.

[mrpharmacist]

Dec 31, 2014 15:44:17 GMT @b said:

Jan 28, 2010 2:53:31 GMT @sandyk said:

Nigel
Just to start the ball rolling for you :

www.divineaudio.co.uk/hi-fi/turntables/michell-engineering-gyrodec-turntable/prod_523.html

I listened to one of these at a friend's place last weekend. It had a Shibata Stylus fitted, ánd yes it did sound very good indeed . BUT it would bloody well want to at the quoted price !
Unfortunately, to extract very high performance from it, you also need to spend quite a bit extra for a decent RIAA preamp.
On this occasion we used a fully discrete phono preamp that I had incorporated into a preamp that I made >15years ago.
When playing the 1/2 speed mastered copy of "Carole King-Tapestry" there were no noticeable clicks or plops when playing this album.
My friend and myself hope to extract even more out of this combination by using a JLH for the RIAA preamp's +-15V supply.
SandyK

I have the gyrodec and am very happy with it.
It was a gift for my birthday so represents stunning value, as I'm sure you'll appreciate.

Is that the gyrodec as in "A Clockwork Orange"?

static.panoramio.com/photos/large/17873006.jpg

[jc]

Nooooo, that's Michell's older deck the Hydraulic Transcriptor, similarish age to the Focus One.

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Mine is the clear one, with the cover.

[PinkFloyd]

Dec 31, 2014 16:52:03 GMT @b said:

Mine is the clear one, with the cover.

The very rare clear jelly baby hood??

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Dec 31, 2014 16:04:30 GMT mrpharmacist said:

Dec 31, 2014 15:44:17 GMT @b said:

I have the gyrodec and am very happy with it.
It was a gift for my birthday so represents stunning value, as I'm sure you'll appreciate.

Is that the gyrodec as in "A Clockwork Orange"?

static.panoramio.com/photos/large/17873006.jpg

I didn't actually know it had been around that long.
Haven't seen the film either, I understand it's upsetting?

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When I got it it came with the cartridge fitted by the dealer.
If I change the cartridge due to age, how do I get it straight in the arm?
This is the turntable and this is the cartridge.

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[mrpharmacist]

Jan 1, 2015 10:12:29 GMT @b said:

Dec 31, 2014 16:04:30 GMT mrpharmacist said:

Is that the gyrodec as in "A Clockwork Orange"?

static.panoramio.com/photos/large/17873006.jpg

I didn't actually know it had been around that long.
Haven't seen the film either, I understand it's upsetting?

Upsetting...it's a little bit comical. I like the clinicality of Kubrick but it's a lesser film. 2001 and Barry Lyndon are perhaps more unsettling

Great carts Ortofon, very sturdy too

[mrpharmacist]

I wouldn't change the cart unless you go moving coil (in which case I think Denon 103 ? )

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Jan 1, 2015 11:02:21 GMT mrpharmacist said:

I wouldn't change the cart unless you go moving coil (in which case I think Denon 103 ? )

I've had my 1000 hours out of it.