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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2010 7:27:53 GMT
Robert NOBODY in a forum deserves to be ridiculed by people with greater knowledge of a subject, whether right or wrong,unless they try to make the other person seem stupid. There is such a thing as a tactful answer. Yes, I know that my tact isn't always exemplary either.  People like the 2 moderators Sy and Netlist are not only making a fellow moderator seem stupid, they are stifling comments from other members who feel intimidated by the very strong repudiations of their views.What I quoted was just a single example of his "style". The other moderator, Planet 10 (Dave ) is a highly respected member of DIY Audio and highly thought of in the Loudspeaker design area. He isn't totally ignorant in that area either, as he previously posted a graphic of a typical recovered "eye" pattern. I realise that Rockhampton is a long way from Sydney, which is a shame, as the things I have been talking about are so easy to demonstrate. I would recommend that if you ever venture as far South as Brisbane, that you find time to visit Jeff C, as he is also in a good position to demonstrate these findings. Alex |
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Post by robertkd on Jan 30, 2010 8:01:56 GMT
Robert NOBODY in a forum deserves to be ridiculed by people with greater knowledge of a subject, whether right or wrong,unless they try to make the other person seem stupid. There is such a thing as a tactful answer. Yes, I know that my tact isn't always exemplary either. People like the 2 moderators Sy and Netlist are not only making a fellow moderator seem stupid, they are stifling comments from other members who feel intimidated by the very strong repudiations of their views.What I quoted was just a single example of his "style". I realise that Rockhampton is a long way from Sydney, which is a shame, as the things I have been talking about are so easy to demonstrate. I would recommend that if you ever venture as far South as Brisbane, that you find time to visit Jeff C, as he is also in a good position to demonstrate these findings. Alex Alex I don't make the rules there, I'm just a member but lets step back a bit if some one made that fanciful claim on this forum I would jump on them. As for the claims they are making back it up with physics lets see if the evidence is falsifiable I know of no magic bullet It's all to easy to convince myself that something is in someway better or otherwise but it is what it is, simply a delusion which is why we have physics definable, measurable, constant and repeatable science, otherwise we'd still be believing in god(s) and the supernatural and other quackery. I am open mined and if someone can explain how it works with proof fine otherwise I'll move on with other things. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2010 8:09:22 GMT
Do you mean "verifiable " ?
BTW, I think you will find that the majority of RG members do believe in a Supreme Being, despite the lack of scientific proof.
Not everything is explainable by today's science. Fortunately, science does not stand still either.
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Post by robertkd on Jan 30, 2010 8:30:15 GMT
Do you mean "verifiable " ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2010 8:45:19 GMT
Do you mean "verifiable " ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2010 10:17:09 GMT
the perception of sound is just like taste.. very personal (sound is heard by your brain and every ones brain is/functions differently)
Also it is greatly dependent on experience (the more you listen the better you can hear, it trains your brain just like you can learn other skills in your life too) and knowledge.
What I and others can hear other people may not and vice-versa.
There are people that believe in higher beings and those that do not.
THEY are all EQUAL !!
I respect SandyK's experience and knowledge and testing capabilities but find myself in Robert's corner on this particular subject (Personal opinion no offence to SandyK).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2010 10:33:24 GMT
solderdude
Do you have available high resolution playback from your PC into a decent DAC, preferably not a USB DAC ? Are you able to directly play 24/96 .wav files ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2010 12:24:18 GMT
years ago I could get my hands on 'source' material and various equipment for these test.
Now I am no longer in that position so.
have a PC with crappy onboard soundcard that I use to convert to MP3 files (Oh my God there goes my credibility !) to listen to an MP3 player (NEX player, brand does not exist anymore).
Have compared lossless to MP3 but personally don't hear MUCH differences between a good Lame 320kBs conversion and the original (so close I can certainly live with it as I am interested in both the music and SQ)
Anything less than 320 CBR I prefer not to listen to.
Have heard decent quality in 192kB sometimes though, depends on codec and music itself.
Don't play audio on a computer (YET) only on the NEX MP3 player which has an excellent DAC.
Someday I will get myself a nice DAC and computer...
have PM'd you...
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Post by derekrumble on Jan 30, 2010 12:24:26 GMT
Firstly, did anyone read the Stereophile article on 'Sharpeners and Levelers' recently? www.stereophile.com/asweseeit/are_you_a_sharpener_or_a_leveler/index.htmlEssentially people will fall into one of two categories. A leveler will hear a subtle difference between say two sources and say that the difference is too small to matter. The sharpener hears the same difference and says, yes, it's small, but it's nevertheless important. I tend to be a leveller. Secondly, I know this is a wiki entry so the usual health warnings apply but take a read of: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biasesIt makes one wonder how you can ever trust another's judgement. Or even your own - there are too many things going on in someone's mind when they say what their view is on a particular topic. Derek |
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Post by derekrumble on Jan 30, 2010 12:29:51 GMT
solderdude Do you have available high resolution playback from your PC into a decent DAC, preferably not a USB DAC ? Are you able to directly play 24/96 .wav files ? SandyK I never did get around to completing your 'challenge' comparing different rips from the same source - sorry will need you to remind me I think. With my M Audio card I can take SPDIF co-ax out @ 24/96, feeding into a my X_DACv3. So let's rewind... what's the challenge again? First time around I didn't have the M Audio card; I was relying on an Audigy SE which didn't have a digital output; only anaogue phonos. Derek |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2010 13:11:36 GMT
Derek I will upload another couple of .wav files for comparison in the next day or so. I will advise you when they have been uploaded.Please remind me if I forget ! BTW, have you been following the recent cheap X-DAC V3 mods that I told Syd about ? Bed time ! Alex |
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Post by derekrumble on Jan 30, 2010 13:13:29 GMT
".......being a Sharpener or a Leveler represents an inherent characteristic of a person's sensory system. In technical terms, the difference threshold—the smallest difference that a person can reliably discriminate, also known as the just noticeable difference (JND)—varies among individuals: some have a low threshold (small JND) and are able to discriminate among very small differences, whereas others require differences to be quite large before they can discriminate among them." |
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