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Post by JML on Dec 5, 2007 17:45:30 GMT
I have had, for several years, the ATH-W100, W1000, & EW9. And now the ATH-AD2000 and ATH-ESW9. My son has the A900. All are wonderful cans! I hope you enjoy your W1000s. My reaction the first time I heard the W100 was very much like the first time I heard a Quad or Spendor loudspeaker.
The leather pads for the W2002 fit the W100/1000 headphones. You need to be careful with installation. And the W1000 benefits from 5/16" or 3/8" surgical tubing inserted around the pads, to push them further from your ears. The AD2000 requires this mod, with 3/8" tubing (otherwise the driver grills will sit on your ears). The W100/W1000 can get warm as noted. The AD2000 is open.
The Yamamoto has been uniformly lauded for synergy with the W1000, but it is very pricey. The Meier solid-state amps are great with the ATs, adding a bit of warmth.
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Post by toad on Dec 5, 2007 19:02:04 GMT
Nice first post Welcome.
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Post by leo on Dec 5, 2007 20:05:18 GMT
here's the link about removing the foam, i did took the earpad out, and the foam is just there sitting on the driver, but i did not test it out without the foam www.head-case.org/index.php/topic,2471.0.html My K701 is S/N1437 and they only have one piece of gray foam w/ a hole in the middle the size of the driver. I have not seen the need to remove the foam, IMO the K701 sounds great just as it is. They sound fine as is to me too but you know everybodys not easy to please
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Post by fanboi on Dec 6, 2007 8:17:07 GMT
Thanks for your input JML - this surgical tubing you mention - not being a medical type myself - is this some form of rubber? and do you insert it under the grill cloth or between the earpad and the grill cloth? I do find the W1000 very special with the Yamamoto but it is pretty darn fine with the green Solo too - there is a lovely delicacy of nuance there and a little more warmth. When I ordered the Yamamoto, it was actually cheaper than the Solo MC class 2007 model and I was tossing up between the two and went for the cheaper option Now I have both and not disappointed with either and still wondering if I have to have the W5000 as well There is no end to this madness is there
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Post by JML on Dec 7, 2007 3:12:04 GMT
The stuff is black latex surgical tubing, sold by dive shops. Here's a US dive shop (this is the website from which I got mine): www.reefscuba.com/surgical_tubing.htmOn HeadFi, it's called the "phatpad" mod.
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Post by fanboi on Dec 7, 2007 7:50:02 GMT
Thanks for that JML, followed up and found the pdf of the whole procedure and the relevant thread, although Googles cache must have been prior the outage as it took me somehwere else, had to use the h34df1 search thingy with its silly guess the numbers in the box idea. Whatever, am now fully clued up about this mod thanks to you.
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Post by minivan on Dec 7, 2007 8:39:37 GMT
fanboi: where is the link to this platpad mod?
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Post by JML on Dec 7, 2007 22:11:08 GMT
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Post by JML on Dec 12, 2007 13:05:11 GMT
There's another trick you can try with the AT headphones that have the dual rods & wings setup (all those we've been discussing except the ESW9). When I first described it, another AT fan called it the "egghead mod." It definitely helps the fit get even better, and it improves imaging and bass. The seal around your ear is better, and the imaging is improved because the drivers end up being more vertical. By the way, one of the reasons for the imaging and soundstaging with the AT phones is probably from the angled drivers -- to my knowledge, all headphones with the drivers angled in the housings, such as the ATs, some Sonys, and the Ultrasones, are noted for this. The drivers in these headphones are more parallel to your outer ears than are the drivers in Grado and Sennheiser headphones (two makers I've tried and never could wear or listen to for very long because the Grado are "in your face" and hurt my ears fitwise, while the Senn are veiled and clamp too hard).
The AT rod design put a very circular bias to the headphones' fit on one's head, and while that might work with small round heads, that's not the shape of all the heads out there. Some of us have more elliptically-shaped heads, and I bet that's more common in the US and UK than in the Far East. What you want to do is to gently reshape the rods so that the shape of the unworn headphone resembles an egg more than a circle. You want something that looks more like a "0" than an "O" (that's a zero and a capital letter o).
Some people pulled the driver units away from each other, but that's NOT what I mean. Instead, you want the rods and drivers to be reshaped so that there's equal pressure on the top and bottom of the pads when they're on your head. That means grabbing the two pairs of rods at a point AFTER they come out of the housings for the drivers and gently compressing the two sides of the headphones so that the top of the rods is higher than it was before. Put one hand on each pair of rods, and push them closer together. Hard to describe; easier to show...
This has to be done gently, and repeatedly, testing the fit after every couple of flexes. You don't want to put any pressure on the rods-to-earpiece-housing joints!! And you don't want to put any obvious sharp bends in the rods!!
And if you like the sound of the W100 or W1000, the AD2000 is pretty amazing, IMHO. They give you some of the additional midrange clarity and punch from the A900 with none of the associated harshness, with the transparency and liquidity of the woodies' midrange, plus a wider soundstage from the open design. And the larger drivers/housings and open design make them sweat-free to wear. But you do need the "phatpad" mod with these unless you have very flat outer ears!
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Post by mrarroyo on Dec 12, 2007 23:22:48 GMT
My W5000 creaks a lot in the wings that rest against your head. I tried silicone spray which reduced the creaking for a few minutes until it dried. Has anyone found a solution? Thanks.
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Post by merton on Dec 13, 2007 0:36:06 GMT
bicycle chain lube?
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Post by toad on Dec 13, 2007 13:34:25 GMT
My W5000 creaks a lot in the wings that rest against your head. I tried silicone spray which reduced the creaking for a few minutes until it dried. Has anyone found a solution? Thanks. Try Airsoft Gun Lubricant. it's plastic friendly. google American Eagle APS3 which is the main brand. It's good for a few clips of ammo so should last a while. They also do a silicone grease which may be better.
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Post by JML on Dec 21, 2007 7:47:25 GMT
You might try "Lanolube." This is a pure lanolin grease in tube form, sold for precision machinery and tooling, to lube and prevent rust, and act as an antiseize compound. It won't attack plastic, which is something to watch for with any lubricant based on petrochemicals (virtually all bicycle chain lubes have a solvent carrier). Unlike most greases, Lanolube won't migrate. You can find it on the web in the UK at www.chronos.ltd.ukI use this as one of my plastic-compatible greases and lubes for 1/32 scale slot cars, something more popular on your side of the pond than mine!
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Post by minivan on Dec 21, 2007 9:06:01 GMT
i cut out a section of woman stock and wrapped it around the earcup, stretch the woman stock out before i sew it up. also put a pair of baby's sock on the wing. the original idea is to prevent the hair oil from soiling the headphone. but i found out it actually make the headphone fit very well on my head. the tension of the woman stock around the earcup make the headphone fit well on my ear, and the baby sock on the wings prevent the wings from sliding around my head. i found out sock and stock go well with headphone
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Post by merton on Dec 21, 2007 19:53:34 GMT
looks like they're about to rob a bank.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 21, 2007 20:33:37 GMT
looks like they're about to rob a bank.
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Post by JML on Dec 23, 2007 20:36:07 GMT
I fixed creaking in my AD2000, from the same point. Forget the lube; I tried it and it wasn't the cure.
Now, I'm not sure WHY this worked, but this is what I did! I tried to lube the metal pin that serves as a pivot, for the rotating part of the earpiece, or get some lube in between the plastic plates. I tried getting some of that Lanolube in there, using Goretex dental floss as the carrier. It didn't fix the creak, so I decided to open up the plate that covers the spring-loaded head rest, to try and get to the pivot from the inside.
On the AD2000, the cover plate over the pivot and head rests is held in place by two small screws, each with a very small crosspoint recess. I removed the screws, but saw they had been loctited in place with blue threadlocker. I couldn't remove the plate (it wouldn't come off easily, and I was afraid to try more effort to remove the plate, so I re-inserted the screws with some new loctite gel. Then the creaking disappeared!
It might be that the spring bars for the headphones are moving slightly in the pivot assembly that holds everything together. Maybe loosening and retightening the assembly was the cure, letting something inside fit more closely.
If you do this, be VERY careful! I have WIHA microscrewdrivers that seemed to fit the screws perfectly with a Phillips #00 driver -- the screws are probably not Phillips, however but the similar Japanese JIS crosspoint screws. You'll need close-fitting jeweler's microscrewdrivers to get these out without marring or damaging them.
My W1000 has a similar but larger plate over that pivot, held on by four screws (two different sizes, apparently).
Just don't blame me if you break something!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 20, 2008 22:47:30 GMT
A pretty realistic review of the ATH W1000 here for any of you who haven't already seen it. My pair have been burning in for ages now (mainly on my head!) and there's no doubt about it, now the pads and drivers have bedded in, these are headphones I just cannot live without. The clearest, most exciting, most dynamic 'phones I have listened to yet bar none. How are you guys getting on with yours?
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Post by leporello on Feb 22, 2008 12:11:31 GMT
I am looking for a good deal to buy a W1000. As you know I sold mine to get the W5000, however I did not care for the W5000 much so I sold them. I sold my W1000s to buy your W5000s. I like the W5000s as much as I liked the W1000s. Your turn ;D
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Post by merton on Feb 23, 2008 1:50:11 GMT
any difference at all between the two?
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Post by leporello on Feb 23, 2008 4:22:13 GMT
any difference at all between the two? As far as the sound is concerned I'm not sure that I'm able to distinguish the difference between them. However, I prefer them for most if not all of my music. I do much prefer the cosmetics of the W5000s. I wasn't too happy with the gold and red of the W5000s. These were somewhat of a whimsical buy on my part. ;D
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 23, 2008 8:43:12 GMT
I've ordered some leather pads from bluetin for my W-1000.... £39 a pair and I swore I'd NEVER spend that on pads... thing is I absolutely LOVE the W-1000 now they have bedded in and there's no way they will be going on ebay, they'll remain on my head for many many years..... actually guys, when I die I'd like to be roasted with them on my head (sorry that should have been "cremated") I don't fancy being "buried" so will go into the oven with these puppies (resplendent with leather pads) on my head The W-1000 are a true "creeper".... you don't realise their potential until they have been on your head for months.... I just couldn't live without them now.
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Post by leporello on Feb 24, 2008 11:21:46 GMT
I've ordered some leather pads from bluetin for my W-1000.... £39 a pair and I swore I'd NEVER spend that on pads... thing is I absolutely LOVE the W-1000 now they have bedded in and there's no way they will be going on ebay, they'll remain on my head for many many years..... actually guys, when I die I'd like to be roasted with them on my head (sorry that should have been "cremated") I don't fancy being "buried" so will go into the oven with these puppies (resplendent with leather pads) on my head The W-1000 are a true "creeper".... you don't realise their potential until they have been on your head for months.... I just couldn't live without them now. Both I and my son feel that the leather earpads are a major improvement over the "pleather" of the W1000s. I find the W5000s considerably more comfortable when worn for long periods. I agree, these 'phones are superb.
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Post by Nigel on Feb 25, 2008 14:56:37 GMT
Green Solo users, what time does your volume control say when you are using these headphones? After nine of the clock?
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Post by leporello on Feb 25, 2008 19:00:40 GMT
Green Solo users, what time does your volume control say when you are using these headphones? After nine of the clock? If you're talking about the volume control, I find the nine o clock position slightly louder than my HD650s. The volume is comfortable on the W5000s at this setting but I prefer it a couple of notches higher. I can take the volume to max with no discernible distortion but I would'nt think of putting them on for fear of ear damage at this setting. I generally use the ten o clock for jazz and rock and eleven for classical.
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