PS Audio Noise Harvester
Aug 7, 2006 18:07:25 GMT
Post by rickcr42 on Aug 7, 2006 18:07:25 GMT
OK.
So most know my feelings on cleaning up the mains-firm beleiver-and also how much hype surrounds anything high-end audio especially at the "Geek Tweak' level and how gullable so many are and those mostly the types with more money than brains so they perpetuate the myths
"was the best improvement I ever made to my system ! IMMEDIATELY NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT THAT TRANSCENDS ALL OTHERS ! A BARGAIN AT ANY PRICE !!!!!!!!"
which is code for
"Yes I am an asshole and completely fooled but being an asshole rather than tell you what a rip off this product is I will instead convince you it is a must have then when you fail to hear any improvement even though others say there is one you will also claim it sounds great rather than look like it is YOU who are somehow lacking"
So when I recently became aware of the PS Audio Noise Harvester it was my way to give some thought on just what this could possibly be doing (if anything) and since the retail price is a C-note pl;us knowing the way of markups knew the internals had to amount to no more than $5 in parts (volume purchasing that is ) and easy assembly.
so here is the main page :
www.psaudio.com/products/noiseharvester.asp
the "more info" page :
www.psaudio.com/products/noiseharvester_overview.asp
The video
www.psaudio.com/downloads/harvester.wmv
all good right ?
So just WHAT does this do and is it effective ?
Well most all reports say yes but then i remeber the above note about those who are "taken" being too proud to say so openly and being pieces of shit will not only remain silent but try to pull others into their misery because these types love company.Love it so much they will actually gang up on someone who asks a common sense question even if it is a simple "compared to what ? Using what as a benchmark ? And is this easily heard or something etheral ?"
Yup.Be prepared to be verbally assaulted en masse' ! put on your boots and shit suit 'cause the shit storm is about to commence
So I come across these videos of an actual test :
1-http://homepage.mac.com/weiss99/iMovieTheater35.html
2-http://homepage.mac.com/weiss99/iMovieTheater36.html
then the guy actually opens up[ the "box" and shows the dirty little secrets
homepage.mac.com/weiss99/iMovieTheater37.html
so after watching the videos and looking at the porn your first instinct would be
"BULSHIT ! RIP OFF ! WHAT A FKING JOKE !"
and you would be justified on the surface but wait,there is more if you thing about the mains,what is going on in the average home,how this device hooks up (parallel to your system AC instead of inline with it as with a "filter" type device) and just what it could possibly be doing.....hmmmmmmmmmm.........hmmmmm again (takes longer the older I get )
so what would my point of reference be ? What could this device be doing ? AHA !
I think back to my first read years ago of the Magnan Audio Cable "tweaks" pages and specifically to the parallel AC line filter caps article.i remeber how at the time I was impressed with the theory and how I set out to repaet if possible the results in my home system which I did and which worked as stated in the article so has been permanant as an "add-on" all over my house at damn near every single AC outlet because it not only worked out well for audio use but video,computer system and all my multi-function and/or cordless phone stations !
A fkn cheap ass fix that did only good yet zero harm.......unless you unplugged the sucker then the
CRRRRRRAAAAAAK
Of the internal capacitors discharging would damn near give a person heart failure and on my first "wake up call" I whacked my head on the washing machine when i unplugged the device from the shared outlet
the reason for this is the "why and how" of what this device is and that WHAT a parallel energy storage device that absorbs any large spikes before the go past the outlet thus not only protecting your gear from turn on/turn off transients from home appliances but actually protects your surge suppressors (if you have such and most do) in your outlet strips !
A dirty little secret is they degrade ver time with every "pulse" event until finally they are not only useless but add noise and grit of their own to your signal which if you think about it is actually counterproductive since more often than not these transorbs are part of your AC filter box !
Here you are trying to elminate noise and instead you are injecting more !!!!!!!!!
so this shitty little Magnan Audio black box is a safety valve that gets these spikes GONE before they even have a chance to enter your expensive power line filter saving the MOV's for the big jobs such as a direct hit lightening strike during a thunderstorm-not a pretty even and I KNOW this from experience on this one folks
In fact there is even a commercial version available that should be flying off the shelves (maybe they are though I doubt it since I RARELY if EVER hear anything asbout these devices in the forums )
not surprising it is Russ Andrews who offers these devices
www.russandrews.com/lookup/1/region/UK/currency/GBP/customer_id/PAA0752082606407RPSYXPQNOECIYPFX/category-Mains-Conditioners-PMAINCOND.htm
So i have personally concluded these type of parallel spike "absorption" devices work well,are cheap enough to not break the bank and do no bad so have DIY versions all over my damn house and have for years but also know to unplug one of these suckers is not good when all that stored up "spike energy" discharges in a FLASH sending the dog scurring for the under the bed hideout all dogs seem to like when shit happens they have no understanding of
What did PS audio bring to the party ?
If I have it right their device is similiar but unlike the CRAAAAAAAK ! of the stored energy type have added an internal circuit to dissapate all this energy immediately makeing their not only SAFER but more user freindly for the average human as well and the blue light aint ugly.....
My personal opinion is the guy above doing the test has it all wrong and his conclusions off base.If he lived in a typical family household with washing machines going 24/7,microwaves heating shit up or making popcorn in the kitchen,fridge and freezers running,furnace in the basement cycling on/off,flourescent lights going on and off,aquarium accessories doing the same,etc.,that maybe the results would have been entirely different.the lack of the "blue light" turning on is a dead giveaway that there were NO transients to deal with so how could the device be doing anything good OR bad at the time ?
A device such as this does not perform 100% full time all day and all night duty but is more safety valve for those times when shit gets screwy and bad things happen.Any good add-on device should be just that-worst case scenario protection and other times should just get out of the way,to BE THERE waiting to pounce when called upon again to do what it was designed to do.
This is one case where the "hype" may actually have a bassis in science rather than being another case of "damn do I feel stupid for beleiving that crap ad copy and that asshole over at the forums who said this was a good thing" ;D
at least that is my personal opinion and I am sticking to it.YMMV and probably will
So most know my feelings on cleaning up the mains-firm beleiver-and also how much hype surrounds anything high-end audio especially at the "Geek Tweak' level and how gullable so many are and those mostly the types with more money than brains so they perpetuate the myths
"was the best improvement I ever made to my system ! IMMEDIATELY NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT THAT TRANSCENDS ALL OTHERS ! A BARGAIN AT ANY PRICE !!!!!!!!"
which is code for
"Yes I am an asshole and completely fooled but being an asshole rather than tell you what a rip off this product is I will instead convince you it is a must have then when you fail to hear any improvement even though others say there is one you will also claim it sounds great rather than look like it is YOU who are somehow lacking"
So when I recently became aware of the PS Audio Noise Harvester it was my way to give some thought on just what this could possibly be doing (if anything) and since the retail price is a C-note pl;us knowing the way of markups knew the internals had to amount to no more than $5 in parts (volume purchasing that is ) and easy assembly.
so here is the main page :
www.psaudio.com/products/noiseharvester.asp
the "more info" page :
www.psaudio.com/products/noiseharvester_overview.asp
The video
www.psaudio.com/downloads/harvester.wmv
all good right ?
So just WHAT does this do and is it effective ?
Well most all reports say yes but then i remeber the above note about those who are "taken" being too proud to say so openly and being pieces of shit will not only remain silent but try to pull others into their misery because these types love company.Love it so much they will actually gang up on someone who asks a common sense question even if it is a simple "compared to what ? Using what as a benchmark ? And is this easily heard or something etheral ?"
Yup.Be prepared to be verbally assaulted en masse' ! put on your boots and shit suit 'cause the shit storm is about to commence
So I come across these videos of an actual test :
1-http://homepage.mac.com/weiss99/iMovieTheater35.html
2-http://homepage.mac.com/weiss99/iMovieTheater36.html
then the guy actually opens up[ the "box" and shows the dirty little secrets
homepage.mac.com/weiss99/iMovieTheater37.html
so after watching the videos and looking at the porn your first instinct would be
"BULSHIT ! RIP OFF ! WHAT A FKING JOKE !"
and you would be justified on the surface but wait,there is more if you thing about the mains,what is going on in the average home,how this device hooks up (parallel to your system AC instead of inline with it as with a "filter" type device) and just what it could possibly be doing.....hmmmmmmmmmm.........hmmmmm again (takes longer the older I get )
so what would my point of reference be ? What could this device be doing ? AHA !
I think back to my first read years ago of the Magnan Audio Cable "tweaks" pages and specifically to the parallel AC line filter caps article.i remeber how at the time I was impressed with the theory and how I set out to repaet if possible the results in my home system which I did and which worked as stated in the article so has been permanant as an "add-on" all over my house at damn near every single AC outlet because it not only worked out well for audio use but video,computer system and all my multi-function and/or cordless phone stations !
A fkn cheap ass fix that did only good yet zero harm.......unless you unplugged the sucker then the
CRRRRRRAAAAAAK
Of the internal capacitors discharging would damn near give a person heart failure and on my first "wake up call" I whacked my head on the washing machine when i unplugged the device from the shared outlet
the reason for this is the "why and how" of what this device is and that WHAT a parallel energy storage device that absorbs any large spikes before the go past the outlet thus not only protecting your gear from turn on/turn off transients from home appliances but actually protects your surge suppressors (if you have such and most do) in your outlet strips !
A dirty little secret is they degrade ver time with every "pulse" event until finally they are not only useless but add noise and grit of their own to your signal which if you think about it is actually counterproductive since more often than not these transorbs are part of your AC filter box !
Here you are trying to elminate noise and instead you are injecting more !!!!!!!!!
so this shitty little Magnan Audio black box is a safety valve that gets these spikes GONE before they even have a chance to enter your expensive power line filter saving the MOV's for the big jobs such as a direct hit lightening strike during a thunderstorm-not a pretty even and I KNOW this from experience on this one folks
In fact there is even a commercial version available that should be flying off the shelves (maybe they are though I doubt it since I RARELY if EVER hear anything asbout these devices in the forums )
not surprising it is Russ Andrews who offers these devices
www.russandrews.com/lookup/1/region/UK/currency/GBP/customer_id/PAA0752082606407RPSYXPQNOECIYPFX/category-Mains-Conditioners-PMAINCOND.htm
So i have personally concluded these type of parallel spike "absorption" devices work well,are cheap enough to not break the bank and do no bad so have DIY versions all over my damn house and have for years but also know to unplug one of these suckers is not good when all that stored up "spike energy" discharges in a FLASH sending the dog scurring for the under the bed hideout all dogs seem to like when shit happens they have no understanding of
What did PS audio bring to the party ?
If I have it right their device is similiar but unlike the CRAAAAAAAK ! of the stored energy type have added an internal circuit to dissapate all this energy immediately makeing their not only SAFER but more user freindly for the average human as well and the blue light aint ugly.....
My personal opinion is the guy above doing the test has it all wrong and his conclusions off base.If he lived in a typical family household with washing machines going 24/7,microwaves heating shit up or making popcorn in the kitchen,fridge and freezers running,furnace in the basement cycling on/off,flourescent lights going on and off,aquarium accessories doing the same,etc.,that maybe the results would have been entirely different.the lack of the "blue light" turning on is a dead giveaway that there were NO transients to deal with so how could the device be doing anything good OR bad at the time ?
A device such as this does not perform 100% full time all day and all night duty but is more safety valve for those times when shit gets screwy and bad things happen.Any good add-on device should be just that-worst case scenario protection and other times should just get out of the way,to BE THERE waiting to pounce when called upon again to do what it was designed to do.
This is one case where the "hype" may actually have a bassis in science rather than being another case of "damn do I feel stupid for beleiving that crap ad copy and that asshole over at the forums who said this was a good thing" ;D
at least that is my personal opinion and I am sticking to it.YMMV and probably will