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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 18:52:14 GMT
After reading a review of some of my favorite classical music, that being Robert Schumann's four symphonies, but played at the Chamber Orchestra level, I was immediately finding myself ordering it. This group of 2 SACD's on the BIS label made in the EU (AB?) by the Swedish Chamber Orchestra, Thomas Dausgaard conducting, have proven to be a revelation in several ways.
SACD is played back on my NAD T-585 universal disc player and my second favorite player in my collection. This is a multi channel SACD type on both discs, but I am strictly 2 channel, so it was stereo for me. As with all classical music played back on headphones, detail and nuance is most discernible and especially in this case...surprising. I was fascinated by the idea of rendering these big symphonic, Germanic, widely pastoral, exciting and at times awe inspiring pieces with an orchestra of some 30 plus musicians in a Chamber Orchestra instead of the usually heard 100 plus individuals of the Symphony or Philharmonic Orchestra. Yes, some parts of the 4th, which I am most familiar, seem limp and much too simple in their exclamations of power....but, then again, those nuances in the quieter passages become that much clearer and more meaningful for that. I am not a music theory technician and so do not know cadences from credenzas, but there is very much a difference between the Chamber Orchestra rendition heard here and the full Philharmonic treatment most associated with Schumann's symphonies. Not worse and not better....just different, and still engaging.
Try them, you might like them as I do....J
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 20, 2012 0:17:03 GMT
Ah, Johnsan,
Obviously you are a classical afficiando. What list of classical recording that you would recommend any classical newbies to first listen to to build up their repertoire of the classics in their music collection? As we are in a hifi forum, the best recording will obviously be the ideal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 4:24:35 GMT
Hi XTRprof....I posted a review thread here a few days ago of 3 versions of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons", which I titled "Yet Another Rendition". I would recommend any of those but especially the Italian group called, "Il Giardino Armonico" (The Harmonious Gardeners...they're Italian after all!). They have a type of variety cd called "La Casa del Diavalo" (House of the Devil) with a great little sketch by Picasso on the cover!! It is a compilation of Baroque Classical music (from the 1700's circa) by the composers, Gluck, C.P.E. Bach, Boccherini, Locatelli, and W.F. Bach. This is pre Beethoven, Brahms, Schumann, etc. For the Russian composers, I would recommend Rimsky Korsakov's Scheherazade by Reiner and the Chicago Symphony Orch., Borodin's 2nd Symphony by either Rozhdestvensky and the Royal Stockholm on Chandos or by Kirill Kondrashin and the Concertgebow Orchestra (which has Scheherazade on it also). One beautiful, relaxing Classical cd I own is Gil Shaham (violin) and Goran Sollscher (guitar) playing "Schubert for Two", a series of violin and guitar duets composed by Franz Schubert. Great after dinner with a good Brandy (or Schnapps if you like).
Those are just a bit of my favorites but there is a big world of Classical music out there.....and I hope you enjoy the journey! J
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 20, 2012 4:50:59 GMT
Johnsan, If you have enough classical CDs, SACDs, DVD-As or even hirez DLs which you had auditioned, you should start a thread here in RG to list and share all good sounding classical like TAS HP's list. Then we classical newbies can watch out for them and flavour them. eg: Genre | Artiste/Title/Year | Label | Format | Performance | Sonic | Baroque | Martin Pearlman - Boston Baroque / Joseph Haydn - The Creation / 2012 | Linn CKD 401 | CD/SACD/DL | 7 | 8 |
Sorry for all the wrong formats just now as it was still under construction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 4:58:14 GMT
I will consider doing just that...as I used to be a Music Manager for a big retail bookseller here in the States. I was overseer of up to 30,000 cd titles at one time! We had it all....J
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 20, 2012 5:50:26 GMT
I will consider doing just that...as I used to be a Music Manager for a big retail bookseller here in the States. I was overseer of up to 30,000 cd titles at one time! We had it all....J Excellent! We at RG welcome your classical talent and contribution here during your spare time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 6:12:13 GMT
BTW, the Boston Baroque has a cd and sacd of the "Four Seasons" composed by Antonio Vivaldi, performed on period instruments, that is wonderful....I own the cd version. Guest violinist is Christina Day Martinson, and she is great! One really fantastic bonus are the Concerti composed by Francesco Geminiani, from the early to mid 1700's, that appear on cuts 13 to 18. These are not recorded that often and are a real find. Certainly one to look for. On Telarc from 2009. Yesssss! J
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 21:55:22 GMT
Actually, I think I do know the difference between a cadence and a credenza....one is a type of rhythm in music and the other can be found in well to do dining rooms in and around the better neighborhoods.....J
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 21, 2012 0:40:40 GMT
BTW, the Boston Baroque has a cd and sacd of the "Four Seasons" composed by Antonio Vivaldi, performed on period instruments, that is wonderful....I own the cd version. Guest violinist is Christina Day Martinson, and she is great! One really fantastic bonus are the Concerti composed by Francesco Geminiani, from the early to mid 1700's, that appear on cuts 13 to 18. These are not recorded that often and are a real find. Certainly one to look for. On Telarc from 2009. Yesssss! J Thanks J! Noted. I only have the Boston Baroque 192-24 hirez album of The Creation. Slow music but stimulating as it's a "creation" music. For Telarc, in fact, I have some of their classical SACDs which I bought blindly and have not opened to play yet. Here: That's only a few of them.
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 21, 2012 0:42:30 GMT
Actually, I think I do know the difference between a cadence and a credenza....one is a type of rhythm in music and the other can be found in well to do dining rooms in and around the better neighborhoods.....J
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 4:58:27 GMT
XTRprof....Another great Classical label that offers SACD is Pentatone Classics. Julia Fischer, a marvelous Classical violinist has been featured on many of them. I have several, her Mozart Violin Concerto versions are worth checking out. J
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 6:31:15 GMT
Actually, I think I do know the difference between a cadence and a credenza....one is a type of rhythm in music and the other can be found in well to do dining rooms in and around the better neighborhoods.....J A cadence is a kind of musical full stop or comma via the use of a certain combination of chords. Full stop = chord 5 to 1 (Perfect) or chord 4- 1 (Plagal) The plagal sounds like 'amen. Comma - Chord 1 to 5 (imperfect) and chord 1 (normally) to 6 Interrupted. Chord 1 is the key of the music. A Cadenza is the part where a concerto stops and the soloist plays totally alone with no backing. It normally ends with a trill to get the orchestra to start up again!! (If you meant cadenza?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 7:41:25 GMT
BTW, the Boston Baroque has a cd and sacd of the "Four Seasons" composed by Antonio Vivaldi, performed on period instruments, that is wonderful....I own the cd version. Guest violinist is Christina Day Martinson, and she is great! One really fantastic bonus are the Concerti composed by Francesco Geminiani, from the early to mid 1700's, that appear on cuts 13 to 18. These are not recorded that often and are a real find. Certainly one to look for. On Telarc from 2009. Yesssss! J Aha, I have the Chris Hogwood version, again with period instruments. I was unaware there was another so must search to if I can get a listen. Sent from my HTC One S using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 8:42:58 GMT
I remember in the 70's, there was a revival of 'period' instruments and I found the wheezing and flatness of the sound quite annoying.
It also led to some weird tempos in some recordings I remember.
However, newer recordings with period instruments seem to have moved on thank goodness and I was recently listening to the Bach Brandenburgs on old instruments that was actually very good.
I still have a slight problem with the strings soundning virtually the same and the woodwind wheezing away like old men though. Oboes are positively weird and nasal. They're easier to play than a modern oboe and take less pressure to blow but the sound is like a high cor-anglais!!
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 22, 2012 1:57:11 GMT
Another great Classical label that offers SACD is Pentatone Classics. Julia Fischer, a marvelous Classical violinist has been featured on many of them. I have several, her Mozart Violin Concerto versions are worth checking out. Thanks again J. Noted and hope that will be in your classical list to be planned here as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2012 3:23:50 GMT
Rabbit....Gosh! I wish I knew what you know about "what's what" of Classical music theory. And I did mean "credenza", so's to really put the statement out of reach of reality!
Also, check out my thread on Vivaldi's 4 Seasons "Yet Another Rendition", where those orchestras use period instruments, fantastically. Christopher Hogwood is another Director/Conductor fond of period instruments, which CJ alludes to in his post. I cannot recommend enough "Il Giardino Armonico" an Italian Orchestra that, yes takes some liberties, but oh my do they take off and make one sit and really listen to what's going on. Their Baroque salute to Gluck, Locatelli, C.P.E. Bach, etc..."La Casa del Diavolo", just has to be on any early music short list. Look for the fantastic drawing by Picasso of the little devil on the cover. Ca rumba!
But, again...a small Chamber Orchestra gives quite a performance of gigantic music....You gotta love 'em.
Can anyone tell me how to add a quote to a post....I feel like I'm short changing someones post if I just generalize and am not able to be specific on some great idea and such...I know I should look up the instructions as Mike took the time to compose them, but if there's a quick suggestion.....J
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2012 7:41:39 GMT
I'm a 58 year old musician! To get quotes to work, just click 'Quote' on the top right of the box that you are reading this in. You should get a new box with the quote or if you select something, the selected quote and you can type underneath.
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 22, 2012 12:26:55 GMT
Aha, I have the Chris Hogwood version, again with period instruments. I was unaware there was another so must search to if I can get a listen. The classical is strong with you now. May that force be with you as it is with me with J's mastery.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 2:46:08 GMT
I was just washing a bunch of veggies for juicing tomorrow, my kitchen being open to the living room, and played that Boston Baroque "4 Seasons" cd again, mainly to hear the 6 cuts of the Geminiani Concerti. What a sweet bit of music there. Sometimes Classical Baroque can sound like an exercise in music theory....lots of scales and repetition...but, these are very melodic and romantic. A definite precursor of the Romantic period to follow much later. Very Italian. J
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