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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 22:22:25 GMT
I've been hearing lots of good things about Avast from people who who have good knowledge on the subject, some saying they would not use any other.
I have Zone Alarm (3pc cert. paid for) on mine and although successful at warding off threats it is power hungry and quite intrusive when its running a task.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 22:23:13 GMT
Alex do you know what section/s does the additional power connector feed? I ask because if it is there for the analogue section and the digital ones were taking power from the PCIe bus, then it wouldn't do much either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 23:01:15 GMT
Alex do you know what section/s does the additional power connector feed? I ask because if it is there for the analogue section and the digital ones were taking power from the PCIe bus, then it wouldn't do much either. Javier I haven't been able to work out what it actually does. Might just be for relays ? The cheaper cards don't always have RCA type output jacks for coax SPDIF .That is something that would need to be checked. Alex
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Post by elysion on Jan 15, 2012 0:27:19 GMT
Your views are at complete odds with those of the 3 local PC magazines that rated the vastly improved version of Norton as the best overall performer.My understanding is that McAfee is now also far less demanding on system resources. People need to take into account also, your absolute loathing of anything that has to do with Microsoft products. ;D To clarify that finally: I'm a much more experienced computer user than you ever will be. I've used almost every kind of M$ OS from DOS 3.3 up to Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2. I don't use that crap at home, but I use it at work. And it's not only Windows there: OSX in different variants, Linux and Solaris. I really know what I'm talking about. How many of the virus solutions you are quoting in the post above have you personally used and/or tested? Probably as much as you know different operations systems (just one IIRC)? How many times did your personal PC have a virus infection? IIRC more than once... (you've mentioned more than one time in various post that you had a couple of infections). Just for comparison: In my whole live, with all my personal computers (regardless of their OS, some even with Windows), I've had ZERO virus infections. I've done even tests with live viruses for security checks. Another thing is my current job: I'm responsibly to maintain (together with a colleage at work) a whole corporate IT infrastructure. Not everything there was planned by us, we have quite a lot of old stuff that needs to be corrected. That's why I was mentioning the infections at work. I'm very confident that we will get rid of all these problems soon. ESET installation in the corporation will be finalised at the end of january. The only thing that is ridiculous here are the hundreds of posts from you in the computer audio subforum. Most posts are FAR from being scientific and some of them are in plain terms NONSENSE. Just because some people understand these systems there is no need to keep calling them names and self proclaimed experts - they are people who have interests, knowledge and opinions just like you - stop attacking anyone who thinks differently than you, it's childish. Oh sorry I forgot, YOU are the self proclaimed expert in this area - how dare anyone else think they can have an opinion You can have an opinion too, but there is just no need for your adversarial attitude. And guess what, some people are in fact experts in the digital domain, as hard as that is for you to believe - really there are such people, but you're not about to believe them anyway so why would you care. x 2BTW: I've made a lot of users of the Gates User Interface very lucky. Their computers work now as they should, after I've solved their problems... If I'd have a personal grudge against Windoze users, I'd leave them alone with their problems... I have a personal grudge against M$, but that's a different story. The reason for that is simple: I'm one of those people that have to clean up the mess that M$ does. It's that simple. My employer pays me for that, M$ does not...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 0:42:18 GMT
Luckily, your views are only shared by a minority of members. Not only will there soon be a report published in HiFiCritic, where their Admin has already confirmed many of my claims, but there are now also similar reports in The Absolute Sound.Martin Colloms is a highly respected technical jornalist of many years standing. Of course, you are such an expert that you will also state that his reports are BS too. BTW, My previous reply was NOT a personal attack, although you have clearly taken it that way.
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Post by elysion on Jan 15, 2012 0:49:44 GMT
Thunderbolt is a nice and fast interface, but to be honest: You don't need such an interface for just one DAC. It would be overkill. I don't expect to see DACs for Thunderbolt, but it would be possible. Thunderbolt is much faster than is needed for audio purposes. Even audio at 24-bit/192KHz has not extrem demands for bandwidth. Perhaps it would make sense for multiple audio streams that are transferred simultaneously. Maybe some professional audio interfaces for audio production and studio use could make good use from it. But just for audio playback, it doesn't make much sense. Thunderbolt won't be included directly in chipsets from intel soon. You have to use still an extra chip for Thunderbolt and just one PCI-E lane is not enough for unlimited use of the Thunderbolt interface. Since no x2 or x3 PCI-E slots are specified so far, Thunderbold add-in cards would need at least a PCI-E x4 slot for full performance and DisplayPort over the Thunderbolt interface will be often not possible on older systems. The main benefit of a Thunderbolt sound interface could be the possibilty to have the sound hardware in an external box instead of an internal PCI or PCI-E slot while still having comparable performance.
USB3 and newer FireWire variants (which are currently still not available) are also possible candidates as interfaces for audio devices.
Even the (really great) ASUS Xonar soundcards don't have real PCI-E audio chips on them. I have a Xonar Essence STX (PCI-E), which is almost the same as the Xonar Essence ST (PCI). The STX uses the same audio chip which was designed for PCI. On the STX, there's only a PCI-to-PCI-E bridge chip added to make it compatible with PCI-E slots. That's not a problem. 32-bit PCI slots are more than fast enough for the demands of an audio chip. The STX is in no way faster than the ST. PCI-E soundcards with real PCI-E audio chips for PCI-E x4, x8 or x16 would be MUCH faster than a Thunderbolt port. But even PCI-E x1 would be overkill just for audio playback.
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Post by elysion on Jan 15, 2012 1:02:41 GMT
Luckily, your views are only shared by a minority of members. Not only will there soon be a report published in HiFiCritic, where their Admin has already confirmed many of my claims, but there are now also similar reports in The Absolute Sound.Martin Colloms is a highly respected technical jornalist of many years standing. Of course, you are such an expert that you will also state that his reports are BS too. BTW, My previous reply was NOT a personal attack, although you have clearly taken it that way. If only a minority of members are sharing my views about computers, then an even smaller minority of members is sharing your views about computers. A lot of users have complained about you in the last 12 months. Some did it in public threads, some have sent PM's (not only to me). If your experts are so knowledgeable, why don't they work for intel or some other leading computer corporations? I'm sure they'd make a fortune there. We had a lot of "trench war" threads in the last 12 months, just as we had a lot of "censored" threads. Why? Perhaps you should think about that...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 1:04:10 GMT
Elysion, my comment about Thunderbolt was not because of its speed but beacuse it may be offered with optical (glass) fiber which would eliminate the USB "noise problem" for external soundcards. From Wikipedia: -"Intel and industry partners are still developing optical Thunderbolt hardware and cables.[21] The optical fiber cables are to run "tens of meters" but will not supply power, at least not initially.[22][23][24] They are to have two 62.5-micron-wide fibers to transport an infrared signal up to 100 metres (330 ft).[25] The conversion of electrical signal to optical will be embedded into the cable itself, allowing the current DisplayPort socket to be future compatible, but eventually Intel hopes for a purely optical transceiver assembly embedded in the PC.[24]"- Another alternative would be an USB optic fiber extender but High Speed ones (necessary for >24/96) don't come cheap, most of them are over of 1,000USD: www.kvms.com/Section/Fiber-Optic-USB-Extender.aspxBTW, recently I've become an extermely happy owner of a Xonar ST which is similar to the STX without the PCI-PCIe bridge chip but has an added advantage in the CS2000 IC for further jitter reduction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 1:22:56 GMT
Likewise, I have received quite a lot of PMs and emails with an entirely opposite view to yours. I was close to taking these discussions off line,or resigning, but I was asked not to.
Cut the crap Christian. That was investigated, and found that only repetitive posts and offensive personal attacks were deleted.The overall gist of the thread was maintained. Nobody would have complained if Rick had cleaned up a thread like that. There was no censorship involved. Karl's arguments were not censored or diluted. Please name the other threads that were censored by me, and show where this happened. The only censorship involved here, is from people like you, who are trying to shut me up, because you don't agree with what I am saying or reporting .Nobody is asking you to read threads that you are not interested in.
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Post by elysion on Jan 15, 2012 1:29:21 GMT
Elysion, my comment about Thunderbolt was not because of its speed but beacuse it may be offered with optical (glass) fiber which would eliminate the USB "noise problem" for external soundcards. From Wikipedia: -"Intel and industry partners are still developing optical Thunderbolt hardware and cables.[21] The optical fiber cables are to run "tens of meters" but will not supply power, at least not initially.[22][23][24] They are to have two 62.5-micron-wide fibers to transport an infrared signal up to 100 metres (330 ft).[25] The conversion of electrical signal to optical will be embedded into the cable itself, allowing the current DisplayPort socket to be future compatible, but eventually Intel hopes for a purely optical transceiver assembly embedded in the PC.[24]"- Another alternative would be an USB optic fiber extender but High Speed ones (necessary for >24/96) don't come cheap, most of them are over of 1,000USD: www.kvms.com/Section/Fiber-Optic-USB-Extender.aspxI've seen a recent annoucement from intel that these optical connections could be available in 2012 (no exact date was mentioned). The big question is if/when peripherals will be available (and of course what will be available). Optical SP/DIF had always some drawbacks because no real fiber cables are used and also because they don't use laser diodes for transmission of the data, instead SP/DIF uses LEDs for the signal generation. Real fiber cables and laser diodes are used for 1000Base-SX Ethernet since a long time. But Ethernet protocols aren't suitable for audio transmission (to much latency) and the cost is still quite high. Laser diodes are also a bit tricky since they CAN harm eyes if a cable gets damaged or if you look into the laser beam. Hopefully, Thunderbold will open new possibilites. But I'm still a bit sceptical to see audio peripherals for Thunderbolt. Intel did not intend Thunderbolt specifically for that, but of course, Thunderbolt can transmit audio signals, just like HDMI also does. Maybe a kind of optocoupler for an existing interface could be a solution. So far, I have no knowledge about the availability of such a solution though. With SP/DIF, the conversion from electrical to optical (and vice-versa) was always a problem because it has added latency (the converters have added it).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 1:36:48 GMT
Javier A very interesting development. Alex
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Post by elysion on Jan 15, 2012 1:39:19 GMT
Likewise, I have received quite a lot of PMs and emails with an entirely opposite view to yours. I was close to taking these discussions off line,or resigning, but I was asked not to. And why did those people not post their opinion? I can't censor them, I simple don't have the privileges to alter posts and/or deleted them. As a reminder: I did not take part in most of the trench war threads. Simply because I think it is wasted time. I've stated this very often. Seriously, it can be that serious as you have stated in your last post. I simply did not talk that much about computers on the RG forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 1:50:04 GMT
Christian I take that remark as offensive, and a slur on all of the Admin team. As regards cleaning up threads, I have always posted my intentions to do so, well before it happens, to enable concerned people to check what is already there, or contact me directly before I do so. In that thread that Karl originally complained about, many of the objectionable replies were directed at Chong, and were completely unacceptable. Alex
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Post by elysion on Jan 15, 2012 1:57:36 GMT
Christian I take that remark as offensive, and a slur on all of the Admin team. As regards cleaning up threads, I have always posted my intentions to do so, well before it happens, to enable concerned people to check what is already there, or contact me directly before I do so. In that thread that Karl originally complained about, many of the objectionable replies were directed at Chong, and were completely unacceptable. Alex It is as it is: Everyone that has another opinion than I have can post that. I can't prevent that. I can also not "shut up" you (but you are always accusing me to do this). BTW: Show me where I did attack someone of the admin team? And I did NEVER attack you, but you always think it is a personal attack on you if you don't agree with my opinion and if I don't shut up. You've told me to shut up a few posts above. I did not tell you to shup up...
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Post by lark on Jan 15, 2012 2:13:33 GMT
Cut the crap Christian. That was investigated, and found that only repetitive posts and offensive personal attacks were deleted.The overall gist of the thread was maintained. Nobody would have complained if Rick had cleaned up a thread like that. There was no censorship involved. Karl's arguments were not censored or diluted. Please name the other threads that were censored by me, and show where this happened. The only censorship involved here, is from people like you, who are trying to shut me up, because you don't agree with what I am saying or reporting .Nobody is asking you to read threads that you are not interested in. Alex, I never claimed my arguments were censored or diluted - I claimed general censorship, I wasn't feeling persecuted - I think I made that clear when I made the claims I made. Still your version of censorship and mine differ - there are several threads that have either been deleted or moved to 'A Saucerful of Secrets', and many threads 'cleaned up' - all forms of censorship. I made my point at the time and don't care to bring it up again but I want to clarify my recollection of the outcome since you brought it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 3:06:46 GMT
Karl Actually, very few threads have been moved or "tidied up" by me, or other Admin at my suggestion. After all the flack about this particular thread, I am very wary about doing so. Alex
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Post by lark on Jan 15, 2012 4:46:26 GMT
Karl Actually, very few threads have been moved or "tidied up" by me, or other Admin at my suggestion. After all the flack about this particular thread, I am very wary about doing so. Alex I'd rather not go over this again, but remember the title of my rant about this topic? It was something like "Censorship and discussion destruction at RG" - now I went to some lengths to describe the situation - the crux of which was more about discussion destruction than censorship, censorship was typically the end result but no the issue itself. My main points were that some contentious threads appeared to end up being censored or 'tidied up' because there seemed to be a core set of contributors who would always turn the discussion into a name calling school yard bickering fest, which totally destroyed any chance of having a meaningful discussion. So all this 'I didn't move threads or censor anything' is somewhat a moot point - you were one of the main offenders for attacking the person and not the details which is what gets the threads in their 'going no where - going to be locked and or moved' state and destroys the discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 5:14:07 GMT
lark Sorry, but YOU were the main offender with your personal attacks on Chong, and your repeating of the same things over and over. This discussion was closed long ago. You have had your say, now the thread should return to the subject of the thread. As far as I am concerned . posts 28 and onwards serve no useful purpose in this discussion and should be removed. Call this censorship if you like, but the actions of Admin and moderators in most Forums is not open to general discussion. Alex
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Post by lark on Jan 15, 2012 6:54:20 GMT
Where did my last post go?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 7:03:23 GMT
Where did my last post go? To Saucerful for consideration by the rest of the Admin team.
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Post by lark on Jan 15, 2012 7:34:30 GMT
Why are my posts being deleted? They were very tame posts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 8:07:28 GMT
Alex do you know what section/s does the additional power connector feed? I ask because if it is there for the analogue section and the digital ones were taking power from the PCIe bus, then it wouldn't do much either.Javier I haven't been able to work out what it actually does. Might just be for relays ? The cheaper cards don't always have RCA type output jacks for coax SPDIF .That is something that would need to be checked. AlexPerhaps we could press rewind and start from the post before the attacks started?
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Jan 15, 2012 8:48:21 GMT
In keeping with Ian's suggestion, whilst still managing to be off-topic: I use Avira Free Antivirus and Onlne Armor (firewall, also free). I had an irritating installation problem with the previous version of Avira, but now both programs work fine, and they're buckshee...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 9:00:21 GMT
Thanks John. I use Avast. The reason I use it is because Nortons (can't remember which version now) slowed my computer down a lot. I also got a virus twice. The first one deleted everything on my drive until my computer would no longer boot up. Since it got through Nortons, I gave up with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 9:14:49 GMT
Thanks John. I use Avast. The reason I use it is because Nortons (can't remember which version now) slowed my computer down a lot. I also got a virus twice. The first one deleted everything on my drive until my computer would no longer boot up. Since it got through Nortons, I gave up with it. Ian Both Norton and McAfee are now very much less processor intensive than they used to be. I doubt that any Anti Virus can stop determined "Day 1 " attacks. Alex
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