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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 20:45:16 GMT
There are two ways to calm the heli down with the dx6i, Mike. One is throttle curve plus dual rates and the expo which helps in the middle section of the servo movement. It kind of 'distorts' the graph in the middle section where the servo movement is most reponsive. The dog's leg gives you a steady hover without yo-yoing up and down as you can easily do on the stock. The expo smooths the movement out in the middle of the sticks if it's a plus rating and makes them more responsive if it's a negative setting. Here are my settings for the MSRx MRSx D/R Expo – 0 55 +40 0 55 +40 0 55 +40 1 100 +40 1 100 +40 1 100 +25 Travel Adjust - 100 100 100 92 (right) 108 (left 100 100 Gyro - 0 100 (This doesn't matter on MSRx) Throttle Curve – Norm 0 43 50 57 100 Stunt 0 38 50 62 100 Hold 0 The hover area is in bold. The normal settings are pretty close you see!! (There's the dog's leg) Mix 1 Rudd – Elev Rate D -85 U -50 Mix 2 Rud –Aile Rate L +25 R 00 Take the mix with a pinch of salt - I've just been experimenting I've set the dual rate to 55% not 70% although I'm now using 70% the 55% gives you confidence when you start and then you can up them as you improve. (That's why I haven't crashed) There are two throttle curves - one on 'normal' which is easier to hover with and the 'stunt' one which is a bit more lively. I set them to be switched in with the 'F mode' switch. So you can take off with a low rate and fly with a high rate if you want. Take the mixes with a pinch of salt. They're just me fooling around to try and dial out the rather odd behaviour on left turns. Part of that was the gear cog. It basically pushes forward in proportion to left yaw and it also pushes the heli outwards in an attempt to get it to stay straight. It's not brilliant because it also depends what speed you're flying at so I took them out again when I repaired the gear motor. I'm doing it manually now but when my dx6i comes back, I may play again with the mix. I discussed it with a 'pro flyer' in Canada who writes books and things on them. He's only just got his and was very interested in what I was getting with the MSRx. Since you have the dx6i there, Mike, just dial in those numbers and see how different the heli feels. Don't worry too much about understanding what it's doing- it's a lot to take in at first. You may find it too slow with those settings!!! But it does give you the chance to work in real slow motion and sort out your flying technique properly. You'll be able to twitch the sticks all over the place on 55% as well and then gradually step it up. I wonder whether Sam knows if it's possible to put a Blade receiver in a V2 or SX so that we can use a dx6i. The ultimate would be the SX with a Blade receiver and Blade batteries!!! I think I'd get an SX then. I love the helis, but hate the transmitter!!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 6, 2012 22:13:50 GMT
I keep asking him to join the forum, hopefully he will soon. Pretty shite that the DX6I can't control the Nine Eagles... that has totally put me off buying one.... the V2 is great fun and (by all accounts) so is the Bravo SX... to be told that the DX6I won't bind to the Nine Eagles range is a bit of a "well what the hell good is that?" bummer. I was expecting it to control EVERY helicopter I have and it's not really worth the outlay JUST to get it to tame an MRSX. I think I will go down the crash it and bash it route, school of hard knocks learning curve, with the MRSX and stick with the stock controller.... if I buy a Ferrari I don't want to restrict it, I'd be as well driving a friggin' trebant.... the way I see it is this.... worst case scenario I totally shag the canopy or take out the blades and a few links... relatively "cheap" to replace and the canopy can be string and sellotape repaired during the learning curve... as long as you throttle down when you're about to smash into something we are (generally) talking minimum damage if any. Forking out a ton for a DX6I is a lot of money to pay to "tame" the MSRX into something resembling an MCX2 (IMO)..... I don't see that as a learning curve, it's more like fitting stabilisers onto a bike... it's more of a "confidence" thing.... you could very easily get used to the cotton wool safety zone of the stabiliser and progress no further.... "look Daddy, I can ride".... Yeh, you're "riding" but not riding the machine as intended / to it's full capabilities. I went straight onto a Yamaha RD250LC (two stroke death machine) from a pushbike aged 18.... bought it from "Slocombes" in Neasden (London) and rode home in FIRST gear..... didn't have a clue how to change gear... within 2 months I was known as "Mad Mick".... I had conquered that machine and had become ONE with it.... I think I started that trend of ripped jeans.... when I cornered my knees were making contact with the kerb Same with this thing.... it's a confidence thing. I was in the bike shop today in a very tight space with three people watching me "attempt" to fly it.... smacked it about and was pretty stressed out.... got the bastard home and got 5 minutes stick time out of it before landing it. I've dialled in a few of those numbers but it's not the same experience... it feels like the life has been sucked out of it.... sure, it's easier to handle but what part of the MSRX experience is about "easy to handle" or "sedate"? It's as if somebody has removed it's heart and soul. It's like having sex with a comatose "model" and boasting that you shagged her.... nooooo, you shagged 1% of the potential and the ride was not worth the journey. I can see the benefit of the DX6I if it can actually ENHANCE the performance, that is well worth the outlay, but to tame it down to "make my Ferrari behave like a Trebant" seems a bit daft to me. It's obvious to me that the MSRX is FAST and needs room.... it's more of a large hall / outdoor type of bird and is designed to LET RIP.... hovering it in a living room is akin to keeping an Eagle in a cage and feeding it on budgie seed.... it's not fair on the helicopter and certainly no challenge for the flyer. I've had a couple of hours with the DX6I now and just don't like it.... it is making things too easy.... it's also cumbersome and not nice to hold in the hands.... I don't need to explore it further, it's not for me. The E-Flight transmitter may not have the "dial in" mix capabilities of the DX6I but it's perfect with the E-Flite range of 'copters and extremely tactile and comfortable to use. I can now do 5 minutes of "flight" using the stock controller with the MSRX Ian (in my comfort zone).... short balls, easy mode..... Last week I thought I wouldn't be able to get it off the ground without it smashing into something. I have decided to stick with my "dive into the deep end" learning curve and hope to be confident enough to take the MRSX back into the confined space of the bike shop in a couple of weeks and fly it without thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 22:49:02 GMT
The thing is with the DX6i, you can slow it right down as you have seen, but you can also speed it up.
You can push the servos to 125% and reduce the expo to - figures. That'll make it ferocious.
The 6i gives you a chance to learn and gradually push it up to what you want which avoids crashes.
The 5e does the same but to a lesser extent.
The trouble with all these transmitters is that NONE are really compatible. It's a real pita. It is possible to put a Blade controller in a V2 but they are as expensive as the heli so no-one does it. I did a check. Great shame.
I'm flying on 100% now but that's because I've been gradually pushing the servos up on the transmitter. It makes them much more manageable until you're confident, Mike.
I'm flying the MSRx around the room now although I still have to be careful about left turns. Are you finding left a pain? I am.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 6, 2012 23:20:47 GMT
I'm finding forward a pain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 11:00:45 GMT
Mike, I think I've found out why turning left is a pain. Sam may be able to confirm this;
Normally on an msr (for instance), when you turn left, the software also adds a 'mix' so if you hold the heli on the floor and watch the swashplate whle you have the rotors turning slowlish - this is what happens.
You push the aileron left, at the same time the swash leans forward and left. This means that the heli is (rightly) being pushed forwards while it turns left as part of the mix in the software.
On the MSRx, you have to manually push forward but if you let go of the forward, the swash stays in place. It doesn't spring back until you self-correct whereas the old MSR does it automatically with the turn.
However, as soon as you touch the left yaw, the swash automatically jumps back to flat on the MSRx which will cause all kinds of swaying left/right.
I think that there is a software fault. That's why it's a crappy left turn. I've been trying to programme that same mix into the DX6i so that it emulates the old MSR.
So, get the blades running and hold it down. Watch the swashplate.
Push forwards and let go of the stick. The swash stays in place.
Push the left aileron stick. The swashplate automatically goes flat without you telling it!!!!
That's where the problem is.
Therefore, when you turn left and push forward, as soon as you hit the yaw, the swash goes flat causing a lot of flight problems.
Maybe Sam could have a look - he may see what's going on, but I think that there is a programme fault in the board.
That's why everyone is having a left turn problem with it!!!! I think Horizon may have made a boo boo ..............
I may write to them.
a) Swash resets to 'zero' any time rudder input is entered b) No built in mixing for rudder>elevator.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 7, 2012 11:08:43 GMT
Sam did mention something about the servos and said "they've done it again".... if you turn the stick right the servo will go up but watch the other servo.... it goes down a bit! Apparantly that is not good
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 11:50:26 GMT
No, that's not good either!!
I've written to Horizon asking how you're supposed to turn left. The only way to get it right is to do some kind of mix on the transmitter. That's not really very good.
I can fly it now, but every time I go left, I end up trying to hold it. I'm just using the DX5e as well so there's no programming, which is why I'm noticing the left so much.
I've tried a really hard push forwards on left and that holds it still!! It's one helluva lot of forward though. Almost 75% push forwards to keep the heli still.
Gawd knows what happens when it's moving fast forward and you turn left - it might stop dead in its tracks!!! I haven't tried that yet - too risky.
I reckon an MCPx is easier to fly.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 7, 2012 12:09:40 GMT
I'll have a go and check how mine responds to left turns.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 12:13:15 GMT
I'll have a go and check how mine responds to left turns. Careful ... it'll shoot left. (Not yaw left) Push hard forward at the same time and let go when you've finish turning. It's a bugger!! Just tried a left while going forwards - it needs massive forward aileron to get round the corner. If you don't give it enough, it falls sideways. (left) Boy, it's a fast heli as well!!! I've now got it on 100% servo with a little bit of expo to flatten the middle area of the servo movement. Actually having full servo means that you can hold it better because it's much more powerful. However, it also has the potential to shoot off at 90mph. Tiny twitches holds it still whereas when you're on low rates, the twitches aren't as effective so you do tend to roll around a bit more. I can see why 100% is so ferocious - it does actually help because the changes that you make are tiny but very fast. It responds immediately as well. Once it's flying, it's extremely smooth with an amazing hover but it does have a deadly speed. I can send it from one end of the room to the other in less than a second and then a big back twitch to stop it!!!! It's quite scary when it does that. Way faster than the MSR and on a level with the bigger 120 sr for sure. In fact, the 120 sr is probably better behaved.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 7, 2012 12:59:14 GMT
It's crap going left Ian, you are correct... I've taken a short video it's uploading now.... totally holding it back, too frightened to give it ANY forward stick
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 7, 2012 14:18:46 GMT
Not quite sure "where" it's trying to go
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 15:54:31 GMT
That's not hovering as steady as mine does. See the left shoot off as well!! That's quite a long way left it's going on take off. Once it's hovering still, a left turn really disrupts it but I've now found that 75% or so forward aileron pushes it into position without the massive left shoot off that you can get. Trouble is, if it wanders about like that, it's hard to judge exactly what it's doing!! I think that there's a software problem because it's actually easier to hold the MCPx imo. I tried one today and it felt more stable on turning. I can fly the MSRx in quite a stable way now and I'm using 100% servo. Decided that those little twitches to hold it need to be quite strong and once you get the hover right, it's like a gnat in the air. Getting it into hover is the first thing and then you really notice the madness on turning. I'd video mine on a left if I could but we're upside down taking Christmas Shite down and the place looks like a bomb's hit it!!! It flies quite well actually, but I still think that they have made a bit of a mistake with the programming/mix and you can easily see it by looking at the swashplate. It wouldn't surprise me if a V2 version came out!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 7, 2012 16:08:05 GMT
hehe.... it takes me about 30 seconds to get it into a hover and then it starts going apeshit all over the place... you really would need a hall the size of a football pitch to fly this thing in! Funny because sometimes it doesn't hop left on take off, if you leave it to settle for a while after connecting the battery it seems to take off a bit more conventionally... it's pretty random though, almost as if it's got a life of it's own.... like putting a song selection on shuffle, you're never sure what the next song will be... one minute she veers left, the next she's going backwards at speed, the next she's smashed into the lawnmower... it's pure insanity! I certainly wouldn't want to be onboard one of those bastards in real life... shit, you'd come off minus your dinner as sick as a parrot
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 16:13:46 GMT
;D Yes, they are a bit random!!!! I just did a short clip of mine and switched record on while flying to save a boring watch. I hovered it in front of the lens (I think) and did a left with STRONG forward aileron. That'll show you how stable it is with a massive input on the aileron on left turns!! It's a crap video but it'll show you that it does actually turn left without going forward with 75% forward (approx) in order to hold it in place. When it's turned, you have to let go of the forward, or you'd hit the wall!!! I've got 100%servo on as well. Coming up in 5 minutes hopefully ......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 16:52:59 GMT
I just hovered and turned left with loads of forward aileron and then back right again before landing.
In spite of all the forward aileron, the heli stays put. Without the forward input, it lurches backwards and off left!!!
Imagine going forwards and turning left. The heli pulls back as a result of turning left and then lurches sideways.
That's a software problem.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 7, 2012 19:24:24 GMT
Nice control Ian I'm gonna get my one out now (inspired by your vid) and see if I can get a grip of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 20:54:45 GMT
Nice control Ian I'm gonna get my one out now (inspired by your vid) and see if I can get a grip of it. Actually, it lurched right at the end because I took one of my hands off the controls to turn the video off and then I thought I'd better land it!!!! It's a perseverance job, Mike. I'm on 100% servo rate now since the DX6i is being looked at. I'm quite OCD about minutia I guess so I started with solid hover work only. (and take offs and landings) Following that, I went into right turns and stopped - land. Then I had big problems with left turns. Got pissed off so I thought sod it, I'll do a circle (right turns) around the room and follow it. Then I started to work solely on left turns and found the problem. Now, I can fly around the room but still have to take enormous care with left turns. I'll perhaps programme that out when the 6i comes back. It's worth working on Mike because it'll really hone the skills for the cp one that you have. That'll be very similar in the way that you have to hold it, although I don't think it'll have the mad left turn. My old Honey Bee was pretty much the same - just bigger. You can't throw this one about because like CP's, it doesn't have a built in air brake. (a flybar) You have to be really disciplined and go for smoothness not speed. I use the others to relax with, but this one is for learning my real flying skills with. Just work on one problem at a time and then land. It's a really good discipline, Mike. Seriously, the MCPx is probably easier than this in some respects. I can fly that one as well but I haven't got one yet!! Bravo sx on the way for fun ......
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 7, 2012 23:11:39 GMT
Same here! The Nine Eagles Solo V2 Pro is, BY FAR. the most FUN 'copter in my collection (Sam was correct!)..... I landed the MRSX and lifted the V2 off and thought "this is more like it!".... the Nine Eagles V2 is MORE THAN FAST ENOUGH for indoor flight, I can control it and it goes where I want it to go.... I just don't see the point going for something that is not really suited to indoor flying and will be selling my MSRX pronto.... It needs to be flown in a BIG space, no fun controlling it "indoors" it's much the same as keeping a thoroughbred Greyhound in a kennel... no fun for the greyhound OR the owner. I had the craziest and BEST flight ever with my Nine Eagles Solo V2 Pro and the bastard battery on my camcorder died 15 seconds into it.... I did a "take two" with a fresh battery but that flight will never be repeated Here is second best..... I'm STILL holding her back, how much more speed do we NEED indoors? The MSRX is just NOT suited for indoor usage (IMO) I am HAPPY steering the MCX2 / Solo V2 about... this craving to go "one stage further" doesn't make any sense to me.... Helicopter goes left, helicopter goes right... helicopter responds and does what I tell it... all good to me! The MRSX is a nutjob, it's not "FUN".... it's a liability..... It's a drunken slut, you will never tame it, it's always one step ahead with it's madness.... it's not even "enjoyable".... smack the arse out of it off the walls, far from "fun"!!! I'll stick with my Nine Eagles Solo Pro V2.... It's actually FUN being able to get it to go where YOU want it to go
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 23:24:43 GMT
You're definitely in control of the V2, Mike, that's for sure. It is fast as well.
What is amazing about the V2 is how it turns so steeply. It just changes direction with no slide at all.
What's also nice about them is how cheap they are to buy as well. Great value heli.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 7, 2012 23:59:45 GMT
I love it.... Sam was right! Seems I am a "V2" type of guy both in amps and 'copters.... the "V2" groove suits me. You haven't see anything yet (by the way).... give me a bit more stick time and you will see the ultimate V2
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 12:31:14 GMT
Mike, hold on to the MSRx. It's a brilliant learning curve for the Honey Bee. Just do one flight on it every day and then put it away, but just concentrate on one thing at a time. Don't try to fly it round the room.
Just get it to hover and hold it for 4 minutes and land. That's it. When you can do that (and only when) Move on to turns.
I got up this morning and stuck a battery in and lo and behold, I can suddenly fly it. Seriously. Something clicks like riding a bike but you have to go through that 'learning' period and it can take ages for some.
That's why I have so many of them. I go from a 'nasty' fly to something easy. Then back again.
Honestly, this helis flies superbly. It hovers like a gnat and forward flight is unbelievable smooth and extremely fast. I've sorted the left turn now, without any mixing and I'm on 100% rates and long balls on the swash.
I'm now getting it round the room fairly easily and am on the verge of outdoor. Not quite ready yet just in case of an unexpected breeze. I find the bigger helis easier outside because they hold better.
This flies better than the MSR and is superbly responsive. Honestly, this is becoming my favourite one to fly.
BTW, if you've crashed a lot, check the tail rotor. Mine started to slip so I put the other one on. Holds brilliantly now.
I know that when you try and fly it, it feels mental but it is honestly like a racing car (a ferrari). Fast, smooth and real fun to fly once you get it by the throat.
This one will fly better outside than the V2 and it has a lot more potential.
If you can fly this one, you'll be able to fly the Honey Bee really well. It is very similar in characteristics to my old one that had a spasm and went back.
BTW - I've been flying a mate's Nine Eagles Solo Pro 180. Beautiful, but again it is a challenge to fly.
'Don't give up on it, Mikey, just give it one, more chance ......'
It's a good 'un once you get the grip on it. I feel as though I've just got over the hump on a hump backed bridge!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 8, 2012 14:05:53 GMT
Sam looked at your settings Ian... he replied with:
"The settings look great. (Use of asymmetric servo travel is subtle and clever). I particularly like the dog-leg for hovering. Please can you mention the on-board aileron/elevator mix that the blade has. (Standard Tx. Push in right aileron - you will notice that a forward elevator command is also given). I hope that this aileron/ele on-board mix is obvious - and not just in my imagination.
Is it possible that this adds to the feeling of slipperiness that the blade has. Would it be possible to programme out the forward ele mix command when asking for aileron - by mixing in some back elevator, with the aileron? Sam."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 14:55:30 GMT
The thing about programming is that you can 'tailor' the heli to what you need and then slowly up the settings until you're back at normal transmitter levels or even further, Mike. That's how I've been learning the msrx flight characteristics in slow motion. I could programme the DX6i to ridiculously low levels so that I couldn't move anything except the throttle fast!!! The dog leg curve works well for hover and it counteracts the yo yo effect that you can get with this heli. I was wondering about trying it even flatter in the middle actually. That would give a sharper take off as well. Tell Sam to take the mixes with a pinch of salt. They were the last settings I tried before it went back and since then I've noticed that the heli's board is doing some incredibly weird things on turns in particular. This resetting of the swash to 90 degrees after turning causes some strange artifacts in the way that it flies, which is why you're suffering with it, Mike. Once you cop on to what it's doing, it does actually become predictable!! On the old msr, right and left turns involved a mix (although Sam quite rightly pointed out the other servo arm working) there is a mix that pushes in some kind of aileron/forward thrust so that it corners pretty well. However, left on the old msr isn't as good as right which is often the case on these types of models. You often have to drive them in an 'arc' for a good left. That type of mix is missing on the msrx. It sets forward by sloping the swash forwards and the instant that you touch left/right yaw, the swash jumps back (resets) to 90 degrees. The effect is almost like throwing an anchor out and if you don't compensate, the heli flies off at all kinds of angles because it stops and then does an opposite motion swing backwards On left turns this causes the heli to plunge left. My mixes involved me trying to compensate for that 'brake' without realising what the swash was doing and they were only working at one (slow) speed but not at faster speeds. Basically, that's what you're finding when you fly it, Mike. I wonder whether HH have taken the mix out because this heli reacts differently, depending on what speed you're gong at and so they leave it up to you to do it manually. I couldn't find a good 'average'. At one speed it was perfect and then at faster speeds, it went nuts!! So now I'm back to a 'clean' transmitter with no programming I've found some important things for controlling it and now I can actually fly it pretty well. a) Keep the servo rates up because it needs fast and strong corrections. Low rates make the corrections too slow and weedy. b) A little bit of positive expo helps to soften the middle travel of the sticks to keep everything smooth in 'normal' flight, but the extremes are still there due to high servo rate. c) Push HARD forward on left turns and leave left/right out (for the time being) It holds if you really push positively forwards and in fact, doesn't slide off to one side. d) Right turns are pretty much ok. A bit more forward speed is added and may be controlled with a tiny bit of back aileron. It can also be improved by a 'touch' of right aileron. (Only a touch) e) sometimes (depending on speed) a 'touch' of right aileron helps left turns by describing a better arc. I'm doing this all manually now, so when I get my transmitter back, I may have another look at the mixes. It's flyable for sure but it needs learning which makes it a totally different ball game to the V2 which is a good flyer on its own. I think the msrx is an 'enthusiasts' type of heli tbh. I know it's a bloody race horse because I've actually pushed hard forwards outside today!! My god, it is fast. If you kind of 'out-think' it, it flies for you. Don't give up, Mike. This is the one heli that is going to really improve your control skills before you hit that big one. You will find the Honey Bee does the same kinds of things in the air. (Except it has a better left turn) It's a pity that Sam isn't on here. He sounds a knowledgeable chap. I've been chatting to a guy who writes about helis in Canada and the throttle curves and expo rates etc were discussed with him after I was describing what the heli was doing. He's only just been able to get his. This is a better heli than you first think but unfortunately, bloody frustrating when you start. In this case, it pays to be ocd, like me!!! I'm looking forward to having a play with the Bravo sx, but in all honesty, Mike, I'm finding my helis increasingly too easy to fly!!!! I think it's about finding the right 'challenge' level and then getting flash with what you decide to stay with, if you see what I mean. You kind of find your happy medium or your own level of flying. For me, it's time to move on I think and get something perhaps more serious. I don't know. I think people that don't fly these things will think I'm nuts but if you actually fly something, you'll know exactly what I mean. If the challenge level isn't there, then you'd quickly lose interest and not bother to fly them. I'm starting to think fully scaled helis with proper engines.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 19:20:19 GMT
Now I've had a lot of time on the MSRx, I would say that this is not (as Horizon say) a medium type flying heli. IMO, it is pretty advanced.
Once you have got it under control, it flies so smooth, you wouldn't believe it. It really hovers like a gnat (due to its higher head speed) but as soon as you enter any aileron commands, you have to watch out for the heli wandering and compensate extremely quickly in tiny amounts.
I've had a really eventful week on helis this week and this one is an ADVANCED heli. Just because it's a fixed blade doesn't make it easy at all. The fact that it has no flybar and you rely on the board and gyro to keep it still makes it rely on you absolutely controlling it.
This week, I've flown my CX3's outside and the Sky Taxi and the 120 SR. The 120 SR is a handful in that it goes really fast but the MSRx has kind of got me tuned in to those fast runs that helis do with a wind behind them. The 120 sr is a doddle compared to the MSRx. When it runs away, I can turn its nose into the wind and pull back.
The MSRx is another story. It's like greased lightening and that on top of the fact that you have to hold it straight makes it a difficult fly.
I also took a Blade 450 up outside and even that wasn't too bad. Just the mental thing about having a big heli in your control can be a bit 'freak out' but I had a saftey net so I relaxed. Once I did, it flew. The fear of crashing is worse than the actual flying and it's the same with this MSRx.
I can virtually throw it around the house and when it goes a bit daft, I can get it under control, so I am holding it now.
Those left turns are working for me no but I have found some weird things with it. If you turn slowly, it tends to wander all over the place so you have to go nuts on the aileron. However, shoot it forwards and just do a left - it almost banks on a left and continues on its merry way, but faster so you have to put the breaks on. That's when you have to be careful, because believe it or not, this heli starts to go into a loop the loop!!
The way you do a loop is to send it forward very fast and then put a small amount of back aileron in and hold that tiny amount. (Just like putting the brake on as I was describing). The heli's nose goes up and it tries to climb!!! I reckon if I go fast enough and hold the back aileron, it could possibly do a loop!! The back aileron mustn't be strong enough to stop the heli. The forward motion must be there or it'll stall.
Anyway, I did a fast forward and fast left 180 degrees. The heli banked and came back at virtually twice the speed (because of the bank I guess) and then I applied back aileron to slow it down. The nose went up!!! Then I quickly cut the revs with more back and it stopped dead like nothing had happened.
So this heli, is hard to control, fast and I think it could be possible to do some basic aerobatics as well. That is not a beginner's heli.
I really wouldn't go from an MCX2 or MCX to this.
It is a fantastic heli to fly and I must admit, all of my others are starting to seem very tame in comparison, but in all honesty, I have put a lot of time into this one which has got it under control.
I reckon a 10 minute session every day would mean that someone coming from an MCX2 would need a very long time to learn it. I'm using about 30 batteries a day. That's two or more hours. (Probably 2 and half a day) I've done that since I got it. That's a lot of hours - 14 hours per week. I'm also very nit picking and learn little skills as I go - I don't try to fly properly for a long time.
Just thought I'd better say because this IS a fantastic helicopter but I wouldn't want people getting it because I think it's so good given the amount of time I have done on it.
It's a massive challenge and a steep learning curve so I guess it would pay off to have something else easier to fly at the same time for some light relief!!!!
Only the Blade 450 hovers the same way as this. I think it's to do with the speed of the blades. However, it's just as challenging to get a hover in spite of it's tiny size.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 18:53:54 GMT
I've got the left turn almost sorted now on a couple of mixes. The more I get into these so called 'difficult' helis, I realise that it is actually essential to have a decent transmitter.
The DX6i is a minimum really for good control of the MSRx. I would prefer an even better one in order to have more choice of mixes, but the mixing and throttle curves gets them to fly exactly as YOU want so you can mould the flight characteristics into something you like.
I've programmed two mixes into the DX6i and I'm using mostly 70% servo rates indoors although I switch to 100% for a bit of fun now. Inside, 100% is insanely fast. It can be too fast but you can really stop the heli in its tracks as long as your movements are tiny, or else you'll send it the opposite way at unbelievable speed. Outside, 100% is great because it fights against the wind.
The mixes that seem to sort out the turning are:
Mix 1
Rudd-> Elev Act Rate D -70% U -45%
Mix 2
Rudd -> Aile Act Rate L +45% R +5%
The right turn is still and left is way better than on a stock transmitter. I can get it to do left circles with this setting.
IMO, it isn't good on this heli and Blade have made a boo boo with the left turn in particular. The fact that I can mix the problem out virtually, shows that it could have been done on the board at the factory.
It wouldn't surprise me if a V2 happened quietly. I've written to Horizon about it but they don't reply.
Mind you, they don't ever seem to say a lot. I spoke to them about the faults on my DX6i and they went into denial and told me they'd never come across these kinds of problems. (I know that's a lie because I've spoken to other people)
I sent the transmitter off and the one that came back was not the same one. (I left clues!!!!) They said that they found minor issues and had fixed them. (Noisy pot and a weak bind on the transmitter) That's what I had said but they denied it first of all. Now I have another transmitter, it's fine.
I hate it when companies go into denial.
Anyway, just for future reference, if anyone goes for a Blade MSRx and get a decent transmitter, those mixes hold it still on turns!!!
I knew I could get it in the end. I may carry on tweaking one step at a time, but this is close!!!!
I really like the MSRx. It flies unbelievably well. TBH, it's my favourite heli to fly.
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