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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 11:29:34 GMT
Hopefully, one will be with me tomorrow so I'll compare it with the MSR which I really like a lot. Basically an MSR with no flybar so it may be a little less stable. (From what I hear) At least the pendulum effect will have gone - I had a chat with a guy in the business this morning and he reckons it's better than the MSR and flies more like a bigger helli. He also said that it's easier to fly outside than the MSR which I must admit is a handful with suggestion of a puff of wind. He reckons the MSR x holds much better. If it arrives tomorrow and I haven't crashed it, I'll write about it .....
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Post by oldson on Dec 22, 2011 20:28:36 GMT
gonna work up to one of these for the summer. maybe the dx6 is not such a bad idea???
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 23:55:48 GMT
You know, I can control it with the stock remote. Having the dx6i makes it easier but I often use the little thing the mcx2 came with.
It's just a question of learning how it flies and using minimum stick to hold it.
It's funny, but a lot of it is out guessing the heli before it does something!!
I watch very closely and anticipate. The best way IMO is work slowly on each thing you want the heli to do.
Be strict with yourself and it pays off in less crashes and repairs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 12:28:12 GMT
The MSR x has arrived and I've had a fly with it. Here's the funny thing, I've flown CP helis and this actually feels like one! You realise that the old MSR is stabilised in the extreme and imo, I think Blade have left a gap that the V2 will fill extremely well. First things first, the heli and how it flies. It is an AMAZING fly but not for a beginner. Don't think that because you have a grip of the MCX2, this is a logical step. It definitely isn't and you will crash on first lift off if that's what you think. The rotor spins faster than the old version and has no flybar so on take off it has the potential to fly off at all kinds of angles. This is where the old msr taught you the characteristics of a single rotor, where it will tend to shoot off left on take off, so you compensate to get a good lift. Then comes the major difference - the old msr would then settle into a hover and stay under control because of the flybar. The msr x just continues going right (following correction) until you correct it again. That's where it is flying like a CP heli. ALL MOVEMENTS HAVE TO BE CORRECTED OR ELSE THE HELI WILL CONTINUE IN THE DIRECTION YOU PUSHED ON THE JOYSTICK UNTIL YOU TELL IT TO STOP!!! So, if you push forwards and put the stick back in the middle, the heli will continue to go forwards until you put some backwards in. Too much backwards and the heli will then go sailing backwards until you put forwards in again. It's like skating on ice. Once you have learned this principle and you learn TINY stick adjustment, it's fine. It flies superbly well, but you really need flying experience or it will be smashed within seconds. It literally feels like a miniature Honey Bee. Seriously. It's not for the faint hearted. Things learned on the old msr transfer to this - right turns bring in forwards motion and left turns, backwards motion. Now, Blade have no stabilised heli that teaches you that. Battery life isn't great so I will get some really high powered ones for it. The old batteries that do fine on the msr just can't take the current draw that this takes. I have some 190mah batteries that are ok with it and may even look for something better. The tail motor also gets fairly hot - like the 120 sr actually. The old msr stayed pretty cool. However, this heli flies really well but I would say that it's harder to fly than the 120 sr. The only thing is the 120 is a bit too big to fly indoors, but it shares some flight characteristics with stabilisation built in so it is actually more stable than the msr x. The hover on the msr x is a dream. Rock solid as long as you don't put any aileron in. It sticks in the air like a mosquito. It's fast and is going to take some learning to get a true grip of. As a result of flying the msr x, I reckon the old msr will become butter smooth. I think that Blade have left a big gap in their range. Although the old msr had its quirks because of the flybar, it did actually teach some good habits (as well as bad) that I have found transfer to big helis. The old path I would have said to a beginner would have been something along the lines of: mcx/mcx2 - cx3 - msr - 120 sr - cp x - sr - 450/Honey Bee CP version The reason I'd say take this route is that they all teach you something along the way about flying helis and you don't have too much to take in at once. mcx series - orientation and basic operation of remote. cx3 - bigger so more frightening, but the stability of the mcx series remains. It helps you lose the fear of big helis and their blades indoors. msr - back to small, but stabilised single blade. Very different to mcx coaxials. 120 sr - step up to bigger sized msr, so you become accustomed to bigger and single rotor. cp x - small cp heli to work on indoors. sr - even bigger than 120 sr and now introduces CP. 450 x - top of the range flying. Beautiful. I've tried it but I'm too tight to fly it and crash!! I have a rich friend!!!! After that - scaled helis - HUGE!!!! That's where I don't think the msr x fits in. There is a real learning gap after the mcx that the V2 that Mike has now fills. It's the most stable single blade that I've tried but in no way prepares you for the jump to cp or even the msr x. Of course, I'm saying all this in retrospect but imo, there is a real progression in the way the Blades are designed plus the bonus of (most) being able to use the same remote. Personally, I'd move to the DX5e for the CX3 heli. Then you have a decent remote. Back to msr x - Brilliant if you're up for a challenge. Fantastic hover. Very fast. Fantastic preparation for the CPx if you want to progress. A really exciting fly and I'm glad that I have one. Love it!! However, I can see naive people buying this for Christmas and crashing it before Boxing Day for sure. There's not really a substitute for learning proper flying skills. If you don't, you can end up with a series of repairs and lots of frustration plus a collection of helis that all fly with jitters and shakes. How do I know ...... I have friends who have done it and they are flying wrecked machines that they have repaired badly and all wonder why mine are flying in straight lines. ('Cos I fly like a Nancy until I'm sure of what I'm doing) The heli comes with a dvd showing you how to dismantle and put back the whole heli so I reckon that Blade are expecting a lot of crashes. I would really recommend the MSR x big time if you want to fly bigger CP machines. Really good discipline. The mSR X feels like flying a collective heli, it is very responsive and does not have the dive of death lol. I do have to say you will be very hands on while flying the mSR X.That was written by one of the Blade employees on another site. That's about it - it behaves more like a CP heli. Since this morning, I've programmed the DX6i to hold it much better. I'd say that the DX6i is a useful remote to have with this heli. The MSR was fine with the DX5e, but this one is more secure with the DX6i. In fact, the DX6i shines with this and it makes sense to have one to fly this heli properly. I've altered the throttle curve to make it go up quicker and have less movement in the middle so it stays still in mid hover. I've lowered the low power mix so that it behaves like a pussy cat on take off as well. I've done some 'mixes' so the problem turning left especially is being 'corrected' by the remote control automatically so it doesn't go inwards so much now on left turns. (I think that could be an issue with it, much like the pendulum on the old msr) So, I reckon a DX6i is a must with this level of heli. DX5e a minimum with its smoother throttle curve but the programmable throttle curves and mixes are a real bonus with this type of flying. Makes it fairly expensive, but a very nice machine to put into the air once you get it under control. Personally, I think the mcx type remote is an invite for a crash with it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 13:03:11 GMT
Done about two hours on the msrx now and starting to really get a feel for it.
It not a beginner heli for sure but it is an amazingly good flyer. The hover is literally dead still, like a mosquito. Of course you have to hold it with the controller, but it stays absolutely rock solid in the air with no shakes or quivers.
I noticed on some USA sites, people carping on about difficult left turns. They are different to right turns but once you've watched it from hover in slow motion going left and right, all that it takes is stick compensation. I reckon those guys moaning about it aren't used to flying helis because mine is turning fine now, both ways.
It's a question of very close watching what forces come into play and doing the opposite on the stick at the same time. That's pretty normal for a flybarless heli.
I've flown around the room now and come down for some amazingly lifelike landings. It lands like a dream. Forward flight is quite strange in that you give forward cyclic command and then go back to the middle. The heli will just continue like it's on ice until you stop it. Because there is no flybar, you have to stop the motion and not rely on it self-stabilising. It won't.
I still think that it was a mistake to withdraw the old msr. It was a perfect lead into the msrx. The x version has similar characteristics plus that free and easy feeling of a CP heli so it's a great step towards the MCPx as well. The old msr just fills that gap between single rotor and coaxials much better.
To give an idea of how people find this heli as a beginner - one guy in USA has flown 5 batteries and reckons he's crashed around 100 times!!!! He says he can just hover now for 20 seconds. Twenty seconds when you're flying a heli is probably more like 10 or 5 as well - I bet that he's timed it wrong because it feels like so much longer when you're working at keeping it level. That's about the difficulty level of this heli for a beginner.
I've flown cp's before and this is a challenge for me. Not because it's a badly designed heli, but because it's actually responding exactly to my commands and not compensating for my poor driving.
It's a blinder if you are patient and really study its flight patterns. I think being a musician kind of makes you OCD about minutia (like I am when I'm working on something on the piano) so I tend to watch like a hawk for any drifting and work in very slow motion. It pays off because I haven't smacked it hard at all. It's had a few minor bumps on leather (don't tell the wife) but being ultra careful and observant really pays dividends with these more challenging helis. Then you get so much more out of them.
The other thing that Blade need to think more carefully about is selling these rtf with a cheap transmitter. That would definitely cause problems.
Once you get to these types of machines, I'd say a DX6i is pretty much worth every penny. I would buy the BNF version of the heli and a dx6i to fly it with - not the package that they sell as stock.
The reason for this is that I have been able to programme the throttle curve (the way that the revs change from zero to 100%) so that it is smoother in the hover area. I have also been able to cut the servo movement down to such small movements that the heli can't move too fast. On second flight, after seeing just how bloody fast this is, I cut the servos to 25%. Just a quarter power so that I didn't send it into walls at top speed. (easily done) That way, I could watch it in slow motion for compensation moves on the joystick.
As I have started to learn what it's doing, I've upped the servo movement to speed it up. That's one of the beauties of the DX6i. I am also able to programme mixes for anything unusual. I did this at the start so that every time I turned left, the mix pushed the heli forward by a small percentage at the same time. That helped me at first, but with time, I have found that it needs different amounts, depending on the speed that you're going at so I turned the mix off and now flying manually without the mixes until I read something from an expert. I don't want to learn poor technique.
If you're into serious heli flying, I'd say that this is a stunner. Way better than the msr, although the msr is a brilliant step towards it. It's impossible to fly when you first get it, but the very freedoms that stopped you flying become the strengths of the way that it flies once you learn it.
I am so close now to proper, controlled cp flying as a result of the msrx. I'm going to keep working on this to get it as smooth as I have the old msr and I think I'll be moving up again pretty quickly.
It's a question of micro or bigger. I may stick with micro to learn technique indoors first since the biggest drawback of the big 'uns is the weather and not being able to fly.
Seriously good path - MCX2 to Nine Eagles V2 to msrx to ..............
The only thing I don't like is having to have another transmitter for the Nine Eagles but tbh, that's a good single rotor machine that is self-stabilising and gets you on the ladder to independent flying as well. (It's quick as well - as Mike has shown)
Anyway, I'm lovin' the msrx to death!!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 27, 2011 13:44:33 GMT
Can I use the MCX2 transmitter with it Ian?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 14:39:51 GMT
Can I use the MCX2 transmitter with it Ian? Yes, Mike. You can but if you get one, be warned ...... it will go off like a bat out of hell. If you're serious about going up the scale, a dx6i imo is the ONLY answer. Even the DX5e is difficult with it. The problem is that it's so damned responsive and quick, plus the fact that it's just not self correcting means that the basic transmitter is going to send it all over the place and your adjustments would be way too much. You literally just have to touch the stick and it goes!! I spoke to the guy I bought it from since he's had one himself for a month. (Before they came out here) He said basically what I'm finding: It's really responsive. It behaves just like a CP heli in miniature. It takes learning big time. It flies better than the msr outside and that's when that power will come into its own. On the DX6i, I started with 20% servo movement. That was plenty to start with!! On the standard remote you can only go down to 70%. That is friggin fast!!! You can't chuck this around easily to say the least. I would say it's as fast if not faster than my 120 sr. It hovers better and is smoother. Worst thing - it needs a lot of power. I'm considering putting on an MCPx skid and then mounting 300 Mah battery underneath. It's really not a beginner's heli, Mike and I think that it must be awful if people stick with a standard dx4 or use the Blade standard remote. It's too ferocious. Not only have I calmed the servo throws down, but I've adjusted the throttle curve so that it jumps up pretty quickly to get off the ground and then there's a flattish (sloped) line in the mids for good hover control, followed by a steep curve to 100% to allow me to get out of trouble if I need to. (The curve is a dog's leg) It works well with the msr and the msrx as well. The standard remote is linear and so basically goes up as a 45 degree straight line. That means you're likely to get it shooting to the left on take off because it's not steep enough at the bottom and then you'll hit the ceiling because it's too steep in the middle so you'll be yo yo-ing up and down. With a DX6i, those problems are smoothed out for you before you learn it. Also Mike, it could be possible to put an AR receiver inside the Honey Bee for the DX6i to bind to and you will have a heli that you can fly properly. The worst thing about the Honey Bee that I had was the transmitter. I can fly them with other transmitters but I had a helluva job with the standard remote. Going any higher in the heli ladder really does require a programmable remote or else, you're fighting against it all of the time. Being able to balance the power to suit your own skills and how you feel about speed of response is much more critical the more responsive the heli. I know it sounds daft, but I can also kind of 'feel' where the heli is going now so I almost compensate for things before they happen because I'm not frightened of moving the joystick too much with the DX6i. For me now, it's a minimum requirement for the msrx and makes everything else seem so damned ferocious!! That's why I feel so much more confident about an mcpx and then maybe a 450x. I reckon I could fly them now with more confidence because of the transmitter. www.kingslynnmodelshop.co.uk/Radio_2.4%20Flight%20Transmitters_Spektrum/c29_30_187/p1323/Spektrum_DX6i_DSMX_(Mode2)_6_Ch_Tx_only/product_info.htmlwww.kingslynnmodelshop.co.uk/Helicopters_&_Spares-Beginner_Helicopters-E-Flite_Blade_MSR_X/c33_354_377/p3614/E-Flite_Blade_mSR_X_-_BNF_Basic_-_Instock_Now/product_info.html
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 27, 2011 15:01:44 GMT
I've just bought one... BNF I assume I will be able to use my 190mAh "miniaviation" batteries with it? (the ones I use with the MCX / MCX2) Harder to control than the Nine Eagles then? whoops!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 15:40:06 GMT
I've just bought one... BNF I assume I will be able to use my 190mAh "miniaviation" batteries with it? (the ones I use with the MCX / MCX2) Harder to control than the Nine Eagles then? whoops! I use the 190 MaH for 3 minutes, Mike. Much more and they start to get to the end of their tether so that they get knackered. If you've flown them to dropping point every time, they may have a problem with this heli and you may need new ones to 'train' because the msrx takes a lot of current. I've been trying the 160 MaH and they're giving three minutes but not quite as much lift power. A 35C would be really nice. The 160 Turnigy seemed to have perked a little bit since putting them through the MSRx and charging them again but not as much current output as those 190's. The MCPx battery makes more sense to me but it means new skids. It is way harder than the V2 to control. With the standard remote, it'll shoot away like a rocket. On take off, it naturally shoots left quite a way. If you don't correct it, it will continue left until you do!! (Like any flybarless heli) With the standard remote, you'll tend to overcorrect, so that it'll shoot right and hit the wall. Pad the room, Mike. Either side of the heli. It'll do very fast speed smackers!!!!! Once you get it in the air (which takes some doing) it's a brilliant fly and will definitely set you up over the winter for the Honey Bee. You'll see what I mean by 'sliding on ice' when you fly it. Head on flight is particularly dangerous and in panic, leads to a great deal of wall hitting!! I was thinking of hanging curtains on the walls. Tell you what though ... the old msr is a doddle to fly now. I can throw it around like an MCX2 because of this heli. It's also made me realise just how much that flybar actually does. You wouldn't think so when you first get a single blade. The V2 is rock solid in comparison and is unbelievably stable because the msr is less stable than the V2!! (For a beginner) As Sam said, you do hold it back a lot, until you really get a good grip of it and then it's a hoot to fly. The V2 kind of felt like a small heli in comparison. It reacted quicker and also stopped a lot quicker. Be prepared for an aerial shock to the system, Mike. Be careful!!! On first flight, you'll find left turns mad and right turns will make it shoot forwards and send you into a panic. On left turns, push forwards (Quite strong) and once round, pull back again! Watch out then for any sideways drift!!!! On right turns, rest on the backwards elevator and control it, but don't stop it dead. Drift doesn't seem to be such a problem on rights. It's deadly at first, Mike and you end up feeling that you'll never control it. It's closer to the Honey Bee in feel. If you go the whole hog and get a dx6i, I have a good set of parameters that control it really well.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 27, 2011 20:39:40 GMT
Bloody hell... I hope it doesn't have wooden chopping blades too! I'll start off flying it in quite a large space Ian... most of these aren't too bad ONCE you get them into the air, it's usually take off that can be a bit hit and miss. I'm becomming quite adept at the "hand throw" type of launch... no problems with rotor wash as it's already in the air No real need to take off from the floor is there? I reckon that's the way they should launch real helicopters.... a big giant hand throwing them into the sky Ladies and gentlemen, please hold onto your valuables, we are about to be thrown in to mid air
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 21:25:33 GMT
I don't know how it will react post throw, Mike. With no flybar, it just carries on the way it's going and doesn't stop. So if you throw it forwards, it'll continue out the window until corrected!! Very fast too...... A big padded space would be ideal.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 27, 2011 22:00:25 GMT
I don't know how it will react post throw, Mike. With no flybar, it just carries on the way it's going and doesn't stop. So if you throw it forwards, it'll continue out the window until corrected!! Very fast too...... A big padded space would be ideal. Ian, I pretend there are mini passengers in every helicopter I fly.... no way would I want them to die or have an unpleasant flight... they may be "mini people" but their safety is my responsibility.... Mini people, flight flight people.... I will make sure my "stick time" is both responsible and skilled.... those mini people are not going to crash, not on my watch
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 11:38:13 GMT
Battery life is 32.5 Mah per minute. So take weight and only go to 80% to save the battery's life means a pretty hefty battery is needed. I pronged an old battery today. It was knackered so I ran it flat and put a nail through it to kill it. It hissed and heated up even though it was flat and eventually puffed its last. No fire thank goodness so it's been pronounced dead by the coroner and is being put in the bin!! I did it in the garden by the way!!!!!! It seems that a little bit of training helps the battery. I've been slowly upping the time on the 190 MaH and now doing 4.5 minutes comfortably, whereas previously, I'd noticed a slight slump in power earlier. I've been doing constant 3 minute flights for three days and went to a longer time today just to see how long so I set the timer and went for it. Maybe conditioning lipos pays off? 4.5 minutes = 147 Ma 80% of 190 Ma = 152 so it's close to 80% at four and half minutes. Mike, I hope you put a nice stewardess on board to show everyone the escape hatches!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 21:18:26 GMT
Come on Mike ...... have you got her to fly yet?
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 30, 2011 11:36:19 GMT
The damned thing hasn't arrived yet, hopefully today!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 30, 2011 21:26:21 GMT
Arrived today Ian, I have about 6 minutes fly time with it, or should I say 6 minutes of belting it off walls....... JESUS H Christ, it's hard to control isn't it?! I managed a kind of waltzing hover for about a minute but it wasn't a hover in the conventional sense, more of an air dance!
No problems at all with lift off, she goes straight up (no left slide), it's when it's in the air I find it gets tricky! Shit, is she fast! There doesn't seem to be any logical way to control her at the moment, it's certainly not an MXC2 or a Solo V2... it's like trying to tame a wild horse, very unpredictable and it kicks back big time!
Seems there is no such thing as a dead still hover? More of a forward stick, back stick, side stick type of thing trying to keep her from moving.... very difficult but I'm sure with a bit more than 6 minutes under my belt I'll get to know her ways.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 30, 2011 21:35:34 GMT
One thing I absolutey DETEST about the MSRX (already) is the battery cradle.... I pushed (tight fit) a Miniaviation 190mAh fully home and thought I'd have to destroy the helicopter to get it out!! What a stupid arrangement for the battery... there's nothing to get "purchase" on when you are trying to remove it.... hopefully the slot will loosen up over time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 21:50:43 GMT
That's about it, Mike. It's fast as hell.
I have the servos set at 30% to slow its response down. Funny you don't get the left throw .... most people on the internet are getting that.
It's a great pity that the remote can't be set at 25, 50, 70, 100% I started with 25% and got it hovering pretty much straight away. I've also calmed the throttle curve down as well so it's quite tame.
It hovers like a gnat but very gentle with the stick, even at 30% servo throw. At 70% like yours at low power, I reckon you'd have to just breathe on it for it to shoot away.
Because it has no flybar, that apparently makes it more responsive. Very similar in response to a CP heli. If you give it a command, you have to give the opposite to stop it or else it just continues on its merry way. So if you overcompensate for drift, then you have to compensate back the other way to stop it. It's a killer to get used to, but you'll start to compensate without thinking eventually.
I'm flying it round the room, but very gingerly to say the least. Left turns are quite mental and I'm programming a mix to try and get it to turn properly. Right is easy.
It's a very steep learning curve!!
I also really think a programmable remote is worth using with helis like this. It has a lot of power, but then it flies outside better as a result and is able to oppose the wind a bit better.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 30, 2011 21:51:18 GMT
Just had a look at the swashplate and there are two sets of balls... default is set on the "longer" balls.... I'm thinking that if we move over to the shorter set it will be a lot easier to fly.... Maybe start off on the short set and move on to the longer (stock) set when we get to grips with the characteristics? I may be totally wrong here but will have a go and see for myself
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 21:58:04 GMT
One thing I absolutey DETEST about the MSRX (already) is the battery cradle.... I pushed (tight fit) a Miniaviation 190mAh fully home and thought I'd have to destroy the helicopter to get it out!! What a stupid arrangement for the battery... there's nothing to get "purchase" on when you are trying to remove it.... hopefully the slot will loosen up over time. Yes, Mine has loosened up. I put my thumb on the body and use two nails on the battery (the black bit) to lever against my thumb. That gets them out without distorting the body. I had a look at mine and I think you're right, it's on the long setting on the swashplate. Well, it does fly. I'm just about doing circles in the room with it but I follow it round so that I can cut the throttle and catch it if I get into troubles. The biggest problem is when it's facing you and starts to wander. In panic, you tend to automatically send it the wrong way. I'm just flying it as slow as I possibly can at the moment, Mike. Just a touch forward and really controlled flying or else it'll shoot through the wall!! Doesn't it feel like a cp?
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 30, 2011 22:08:30 GMT
I was right... snap those links off the balls and move them onto the shorter balls for a more docile (easier learning curve)..... e-flite have (obviously) put this out all guns blazing.... it's a lot easier to understand on the shorter balls Ian Still as fast as F@@k but a bit easier to control. As soon as you get the vibe, a simple case of switching back to the "insane" balls Give the shorter balls a try and see what you think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 22:14:09 GMT
I've programmed it out, Mike. Moving to the shorter balls limits the servo movements which is exactly what I've done on the DX6i. In fact, I probably have it lower than you can get it to at 30% movement. (and a smoothed throttle curve)
Once you get a grip of this one, it'll go like the wind. I can't imagine having to use much more than 50% power indoors. Outside is another matter and I reckon it'll put its head down and fight breezes pretty well.
It's probably faster than the 120 sr!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 30, 2011 22:22:12 GMT
Just taken this pic of it set on the short balls... will take a better pic in the light of day... it's a bit more docile in flight now and a better starting point / introduction to this mad beast IMO Remember Ian.... I am slumming it with the stock controller
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 22:31:30 GMT
Anything that slows it down will help. I'm going to play around with mixes for the left turns tomorrow. They're difficult. The heli turns and then the whole thing dives left so you have to apply a lot of right aileron to keep it in the air. In fact, manually, I'm finding forward and right aileron is bets with a left turn. So if you're going to turn, start with a right. It's far easier!! Left works better funnily enough if you just do it quite fast but you have to be ready to compensate for any drifts. You won't be flying this one in a hurry!!! Still, all this practise will bode well for either an MCPx cp heli or a big one. It'll certainly train the reflexes and the nose in positioning skills.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 23:23:06 GMT
I know, that must make it very difficult to control in all honesty, Mike. I have it tamed down to a pussy cat and now I'm starting to mix out the weird things that it does on a left turn. I've added a lot of forward aileron and that really has helped but in faster forward, it still tries to lurch left so on a second mix, I may add some right aileron as well. I've added a lot of forward actually and then tried it with none and it is easier with the mix programmed in. Really, I wonder if EFlite should have done some more mixing with the onboard controller. Left turns are not good and many on RC boards are saying that the MCP x is easier in this respect. Anyway, I'm mixing it out slowly and now starting to fly it round the room without following it. Pauses for breath though!!! I really like it actually. The hover is stunning; it's just getting turns under control. Low power only though. I wonder what getting your transmitter to 70% plus reduced throws on the servos gets it to? If the short ball links get it down by 20% you're probably at 50% servo so that's not too bad. I'm using 30% but it isn't really good enough to fly confidently. I reckon indoors, good rate would be about 50% in the end. I notice with the msr, too low a rate makes it go a bit 'swingy' and a little difficult to hold still. Up the rate and it snaps into focus and I guess this one will too - it's just a matter of finding out the ideal indoor rate to snap it into focus. I think it flies smoother than anything else that I have actually. It just needs to be learned and if it's anything like the msr, it happens all of a sudden. You just come down one day and for some reason, it just flies. Like riding a bike. I found that really weird with the msr. With regards to the battery - I put mine in at 45 degrees and as soon as the end goes in, I push it in flat, I'm levering against the frame with my thumb and I hold the heli at the two prongs that hold the canopy on at the front/bottom of the heli. Once you get used to it, it's not too bad. If it brightens up, I'll video it flying (and the msr). It's been very dark down here for a few days. Outdoor I'll probably use it at 100% to fight the wind currents, but I'll have to wait for the rain to stop.
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