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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 21:01:02 GMT
I like the DX5e so much, I decided to go further to the DX6i. The DX5e makes difficult buggers like the 120 SR much more controllable and it's just not as fierce on turns and forwards/backwards. Trouble is that it is so damned fast in response and you have to be very careful with it or it literally goes off like a rocket. The DX5e calms it to some extent but the DX6i takes it on to a different level. The idea of being able to store 10 helis on one remote is very nice. No more resetting trims on changing helis, or reversing the servos for the CX3 type helis. The use of throttle curves and being able to change the way that it goes up means that each heli can be adjusted in the way that the throttle goes up. Again, the 120 sr in particular fires up way to fast for its own good and it's possible to slow this down on the DX6i. It's possible to programme 'mixes' to make the heli behave better. For instance, some helis tend to turn right as you climb and left as you come down. This can be programmed out on the DX6i so that it goes up and comes down while staying straight. It has a timer built into it for each heli. It has a throttle cut so you don't chop your fingers off if you accidentally throttle up. Recharges the batteries in it. You become ready for true 3d flight with CP adjustments available and gain on the gyro. Here next week so I'm ready to upgrade now in the future to something quite serious. There's a lot more to transmitters than just turning on, revving up and turning the heli. I've noticed for quite a long time that all helis have habits in flight that we constantly adjust for. That's all very well on the slow beginner helis, but on more advanced machines, it makes them lethal to fly and you have to have more control really. Imagine, one transmitter that holds all the trim information and mixes for ten helicopters. Seven of mine can be controlled by it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 22:02:32 GMT
I've been playing with it today and boy is it a complex thing to sort out.
Luckily, I have a set of recommended settings for the MSR and the 120 SR.
They are a fantastic starting point. The MSR can literally be tamed into an MCX2 or on a fast setting, it's like a racing car.
The throttle curve is set so that the middle area is fairly flat. This gives a lovely hover and a lot more control over the height of the heli. Then you're able to set the gyro at slow and fast setting and you're also able to set the flight mode to restricted and full.
So in all, you can set 4 behaviour patterns on the MSR from so slow, it's a doddle to so fast, you can't see it. The throttle curve stays consistent throughout so you can hover with ease at any setting.
The DX6i is too complex really for the MCX type helis since they don't react to gyro settings, but are fantastic with the MSR and 120 sr. Absolutely calms them down to something much more controllable.
It makes you realise how poor the remotes that the helis are sold with are.
The CX3's that I have have a hot spot right in the centre of the normal travel, so I calmed them down as well so now, they fly smooth. In fact a bit too smooth at the bottom of the travel so I'll perk that up tomorrow.
The DX6i is a really good remote control but you do need to have something to guide you through the settings to get the most from it.
Too much for coaxials but perfect for single rotors. I feel quite confident about getting a collective pitch under control with this. I'm certain it''s about getting the throttle curves right for yourself and the response of the heli to match what you think it should do for each movement. Once that's right, you feel really comfortable and the heli doesn't seem anything like as wild.
I'm looking forward to getting the MSR x under control and maybe an MCPx so I can work on a small collective pitch with it.
The ordinary remotes are straight linear and they're not really idea for good control. You end up trying to hold the heli back, but with this remote, you 'drive' the heli and it responds properly.
A totally different ball game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 11:16:34 GMT
Someone mentioned that they were going to buy and MCX2 and perhaps a DX6i.
After using the DX6i, I would say, save your money and go for a DX4 or if you prefer, a DX5e.
The DX6i is absolute overkill for the MCX2 imo. In fact, it can make the MCX2 virtually go to sleep in flight and it just chunters along, making it a very boring flight.
I have to fly the MCX2 flat out in order to get some 'life' out of it and if anything, I up the throttle curve in order to make it downright aggressive!! The MCX is faster. I calm it down slightly.
The main thing about the DX6i is the programming of the throttle curves and the way that the throttle goes up. For example, with the more aggressive bigger helis, you can flatten the curve out around the hovering area on the joystick so you have very subtle control of height and hover. That just isn't necessary for the MCX2. In fact, the standard controller that comes with the rtf version is much better because it's aggressive.
So, to the guy thinking about the MCX2, save your money. It really isn't worth going this far up for an MCX2. Seriously. If you want to save more - go for an MCX. It's cheaper and use say, a DX5e with it. Even that is a pretty big transmitter for an MCX.
These transmitters make the helis respond more smoothly, which really isn't that much fun with a coaxial. They're slow enough already!!
I've now gone into channel 5 on the msr and mcx. Both have a 5 channel receiver. Many don't realise what the 5th is for. I've been doing some reading up on this strange extra channel for a 4 channel heli and now I understand what's going on.
On something like the DX5e or DX6i, you have high and low power. On the remote that comes with the helis, you press down on the right hand joystick and the power levels change.
This means that the swash moves only 70% of its travel, whereas on full power, it moves 100%.
However, on the remote with RTF's, it is only 70% and 100%. that's it. The rtf controller sends out on channel 5 without you knowing.
The DX5e switches channel 5 on and off. This gives you more variation of power. Turning 5 on gives 70% and 100%. Turning 5 off adds (roughly) 50% and 80%. In other words, you have 4 levels of power. Great for butter smooth take offs and landings.
The DX6i allows you not only to change the throttle curve which really smooths the heli out on the joystick, but you can also move the low and high power around to suit the heli that you're flying.
ie; for small helis, it's overkill. I can fly the msr so slow, that it's ridiculous. Butter smooth and behaving like a very good coaxial. It's all done through throttle curves and power levels. However, the donwnside is that it actually becomes predictable and quite boring to fly.
I have an msr x on the way which is more difficult to control but even then, I reckon the DX5e is enough for it.
Save your money. The DX5e is plenty transmitter for your average small indoor heli.
Big outdoor ones is another matter though and personally, I wouldn't fly a big CP without a programmable controller. It's just not worth it imo. It makes the heli very difficult to fly without one.
DX4/standard - Perfect for coaxials. (I think it's actually sold with the MCPx which is not too good really) DX5e - great for MSR types. 4 levels of power. Rechargeable. Rock solid and nice joysticks. (Take the ratchet out though) Only remembers 1 heli at a time but not a big problem. DX6i - big helis that need ultimate control and perhaps the MCPx. Massive amounts of programming. Makes it much more 'bookworm like.' (You start to become obsessive about power and throttle curves) You can be too thorough and make your helis very boring to fly - especially low level helis. It remembers 10 heli or plane settings.
I would love the DX6i with the Honey Bee or the CP version. Ideal for those if they could connect with the receiver - which they can't.
The big thing as well with the DX6i is the way that you can also alter the way CP works which would be useful for the MCPx. However, as far as transmitters go, for me, this is about all I'd need really and even now, it's slightly overkill for what I'm flying.
DX5e is set at about right level for me.
Just thought I'd add this since I think many would buy the DX6i without knowing the full facts.
The MCX/MCX2 is faster and more fun on the standard transmitter!!
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