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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 17:35:46 GMT
Yay! Buggies were good fun. I've a couple of older Tamiyas at home awaiting repair (after a roof leak in the store room). A bit like these
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 15, 2011 17:44:06 GMT
Another one and it crashed again
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Post by xerxes on Sept 15, 2011 18:17:43 GMT
Yes, that's the sort of thing. I think I still have it somewhere.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 15, 2011 18:44:28 GMT
Wahay! Almost got it! Tried to land her on a speaker but she fell off... oh well, getting there I think you're right Ian, it's harder to fly when there are walls close by but that's no excuse for not knowing how to fully control it Third attempt at a video without crashing.... it's the stress of being watched by the camera that's doing it best watched in full screen mode.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 20:51:58 GMT
Your doing stunts!! You devil!! The walls will suck the copter towards them and if you get close to the ceiling it'll shoot upwards and hit the ceiling as well. You have that throttle set pretty high for indoor, but you're starting to get a bit fancy there. I use the ironing board for a landing because it's quite long and you can do a run in and it's a nice padded flat surface. Crashes always look a bit spectacular don't they? Mike, have you tried the manipulation exercises that help you to control it? a) Low hover and hold it. Land on same area. b) High hover and hold it. Land on the same area. c) Moving from take spot to another landing spot. d) Take off - circle left (and right) with a landing. e) Walk around with it while you steer. f) Figure of eight in front/side and back view. g) Start yer fancy trick!! I aim at absolute smoothness first and try to make the copter look realistic in the way it flies. Saves smashing it up. You'll be after a new one soon!!! I think the secret is really getting a grip of the control. (Or else it's pure luck!!!!) Aren't we sad - films of a heli now!!!!! I presume to stick a video on You Tube, you need to register some kind of account? Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 15, 2011 20:58:04 GMT
It was all going so well until the end. Remind me never to hitch a ride with you if you get the real thing. I had an RC buggy thing many years ago and I never did get the hang of left and right reversing when switching from going away to to coming towards you. All in all, I think I had more fun building it than I did driving it. hehe... I'd like to look back on that "flight" a few months down the line and think what a "wanker" I was..... From now on in I am going to perfect my flying skills and the next video I upload to "youtube" will be a masterpiece of flight and music in unison Will take me a bit of time to become "one man and his machine" but it will happen
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 15, 2011 21:01:42 GMT
All free...... go for it
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 15, 2011 21:16:38 GMT
Next vid will show a bit of control
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 15, 2011 21:49:34 GMT
It's the "cones" mate.... try landing on a speaker that is actively pumping air from it's ports....... sends the helicopter crazy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 18:23:52 GMT
Actually, Mike the MCX2 is very sensitive to air movement because it's so light.
The Bladez are heavier and so don't react as much.
I was thinking of taking the back off so that it's less susceptible to side blasts.
Have you tried banking and turning at the same time? In effect doing circles by banking. Looks great in flight and is more like what a real helicopter does.
If yu are going forwards, instead of just turning left to change direction, try turning left while banking right. It draws a lovely curve in its flight.
Not in a confined space though, you'll it the wall.
It's a good move to practise left and right but can be trick. I go slowly to keep it in control so it starts to become automatic.
Also, the battery position is best as far forward as you can get it. The heli is more stable. I tried putting the battery further back, but it doesn't hover as well, so it is sensitive to the battery position.
Ian
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Post by Will on Sept 16, 2011 20:18:01 GMT
My youngest had a RC helicopter this year, as a present from a friend. Not quite as advanced as the ones you guys are using, but good fun none the less. After a bit of practise I got pretty decent at doing a few laps of the room and landing it on various cupboards and the like. One thing that wasn't good was the marks that the rotors make on freshly painted, light coloured walls when you are still getting used to the controls...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 21:10:13 GMT
Hi Will,
They're great fun but to drive them well, you really need to get extremely spacially aware and out yourself through lots of control tests!!
I know it sounds funny for a little model but the temptation to get it in the air as fast as possible and fly in free space is very tempting and then start to experiment and see what happens. Unfortunately, it leads to lots of 'wall' hits and 'ceiling' crashes that ultimately damage the model.
With a new one, I start with a low hover and get the settings right first. I look for any directions that it drifts towards and with little helis, they're not always consistent. Mine veers towards the right on the ground and then settles further up so on take off, you have to use a little left bias and let go as soon as it gets up.
Once you have the take off slow and smooth, then you are actually controlling it rather than just getting up high as fast as possible in order to avoid crashes. (that's what most people do)
Once I've worked that out, then I send it up and drive on low power until I'm comfortable with how it reacts and then I work on really slow landings. That's much harder than plonking them down for safety as many people do.
After that, it's taking chances in the air and actually seeing what it can do!!
Sounds really serious .... but it stops having to buy a new heli two days after the first one!!
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 16, 2011 21:19:19 GMT
Ian.... every little helps..... I have been experimenting with "skinning" the Turnigy batteries..... will upload a pictorial tomorrow.... basically, you trim the excess covering off the battery (remove the Turnigy sticker etc.)..... I estimate we are getting another 19 seconds in the air so well worth doing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 21:42:44 GMT
19 seconds is actually quite a lot in relation to the total!! They're kind of wrapped up in a tin foil wrap - is that what you're taking off as well?
They do change the front to back weight. I think the centre of gravity is a tiny bit back from the battery that comes with the heli. That affects the hover and if it's in slightly skewed, it can make the heli go backwards and off to one side.
I find that getting them as far forward as possible is best. I've tried them well back as well, but I don't think it's as stable.
Have you tried a really slow lift off Mike? That's pretty difficult. The blow back from the ground throws it all over the place!!
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 17, 2011 9:06:42 GMT
19 seconds is actually quite a lot in relation to the total!! They're kind of wrapped up in a tin foil wrap - is that what you're taking off as well? They do change the front to back weight. I think the centre of gravity is a tiny bit back from the battery that comes with the heli. That affects the hover and if it's in slightly skewed, it can make the heli go backwards and off to one side. I find that getting them as far forward as possible is best. I've tried them well back as well, but I don't think it's as stable. Have you tried a really slow lift off Mike? That's pretty difficult. The blow back from the ground throws it all over the place!! Ian I think I have perfected my slow lift off now I even managed to land her on top of the camera yesterday..... You are correct, go slow, understand the machine, get a feel for it.... learn to control it and THEN start flying it about..... As Deiter would say "one man in perfect unity with his machine" (Can't name that track)
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Post by xerxes on Sept 17, 2011 9:09:42 GMT
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 17, 2011 9:34:52 GMT
That's the one
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 17, 2011 9:46:51 GMT
By the way.... DVD 2009 ?? I must have missed that one
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 10:27:13 GMT
Mike, are you still using the faster speed? I tried to pop the connectors off but found them very stiff, so I left it.
Do you literally just yank them off? I wouldn't mind speeding it up but don't want to break the connector!!
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 17, 2011 10:35:10 GMT
Mike, are you still using the faster speed? I tried to pop the connectors off but found them very stiff, so I left it. Do you literally just yank them off? I wouldn't mind speeding it up but don't want to break the connector!! Ian I haven't touched it "yet" Ian..... am using it as it came right out of the box.... I will alter the swash plates when I get used to flying it as is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 11:03:32 GMT
Oh, ok. It is a bit 'hairy' when you first get one but once you get it smooth, it's a really nice heli. You were given really good advice.
You get lovely flying effects when going forward and rotate the rudder (say) right and the aileron right as well. You get a lovely 'bank' and also if you are going forward and apply right rudder with left aileron and you get a kind of air 'skid'.
That's worth doing in slow motion both ways 'cos it looks really nice in flight.
The gyro setting at the start is pretty important too. You have to get it flat within two seconds or it could be a bit unstable!!
Actually, now you've made me discover the E-Flites, I may have a look at the single blade MSR which is a bit more 'racy'!!!
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 17, 2011 12:06:30 GMT
The MSR can shift! Check out this vid:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 13:05:21 GMT
The MSR is like a step up from the MSX2 because of the single blade. That guy had moved the swashplate connection but he didn't sho how to pop it off. I'm presuming brute force, but a bit worried about not being able to pop it back. The aggressive setup is more useful outdoors in case you're fighting a breeze!! A nice little sideways puff and it goes on holidy to France, or in your case, Sweden? I like the E-flight a lot actually. Far better than any others I've tried so I may get an MSR as well!!! With the swashplate moved, you get a more immediate control for small places actually so it may be worth trying. This bloke is flying in a really daft place and he has a complete grip of it!! Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 17, 2011 13:18:07 GMT
Another crash
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 13:54:51 GMT
Mike, I've changed the swashplate over and it's even better to fly. (As long as you can fly it!!) It's not so much faster, but it responds quicker which is great when you get near the ceiling or wall. If you panic though, it'll shoot off!!! It's worth doing for the extra control, but bloody fiddly. It was easier to do by removing the link from the blade first. I used fingernails and a small screwdriver, but it's tiny. You have instant bursts of power available so if you get into a tight spot, it moves!! However, move the wrong way ....... It flies beautifully with the pins moved. If you try it, you won't go back because it's too fiddly but it is actually better. Make sure that you get the battery in and on the floor in under two seconds!!!! At this speed it could be going on holiday and if it's unstable, you're going to know it. Also check the bodywork after your crashes. It's only held together by friction rods and it can easily go slightly out of shape so it would change its flight characteristics!! I've crashed so many Bladez copters, I know these things!!!!!! Your video is hilarious. I love the bits when it goes out of shot and keep hearing it with some slight extra noises and the last thump is spectacular. Just add the noise of an explosion at the end and you have a disaster movie!!!! You're doing well at that low level. It's pretty well under control. You're moving forward fast, but you're in control which is the main thing. Anything near it, like that curtain will suck it towards it. Ian
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