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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 5, 2011 8:52:29 GMT
Ian,
Have you tried the transmitter in "low" mode when flying the MSR? It will make it fly a bit easier..... centre the right stick and then push down until the red light blinks, that's you in low mode.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 8:59:24 GMT
Ian, Have you tried the transmitter in "low" mode when flying the MSR? It will make it fly a bit easier..... centre the right stick and then push down until the red light blinks, that's you in low mode. Sell all that stock of new vintage valves, and you could probably afford to take flying lessons from heliharris, AND buy a small chopper to commute to and from the P.O. in town with your Little Pinkies ! ;D P.S. If you preferred a fix wing aircraft for the commuting, you could always take lessons from "the Birthday Boy" (J.C. )
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 9:40:33 GMT
Ian, Have you tried the transmitter in "low" mode when flying the MSR? It will make it fly a bit easier..... centre the right stick and then push down until the red light blinks, that's you in low mode. I have, Mike. It does slow everything down, but I find that you lose 'fine' control to some extent so when it gets a bit close to the wall. it doesn't react as fast as I'd like to get away!! You also get into the habit of being a bit 'heavy handed' with the controls so that when you switch to normal, you send it off like a rocket. Alex, can you imagine sitting in a helicopter that twists and turns and jumps all over the place the way that these guys are flying them? It makes me feel sick watching it!! All I can say is these guys must have one 'hel'icopter of a lot of time on their hands in order to be able to fly them like that. I feel grateful to get them off the ground smoothly, fly around nice and behave and get them back again without panic!!! Honestly, it's like driving a car on black ice, with the difference that it can go up and down as well!!!! I've got the MSR under grips now Mike. It has some weird flight characteristics that you just have to compensate for, but once you get it, it's fine. The 'pendulum' thing is the most annoying. However, without the stabilisation, I dread to think where it would fly ....... So far: Most dangerous: a) Dive bombed from 50-100 or so feet up to the ground at lightening speed and managed to get the nose up inches from the ground. It would have broken into pieces if it hit because it went so fast. b) I sent it (stupidly) over the top of the house and it just dropped on the other side out of view. (air current?) Panic set in so I rev'd big time. It shot into the air and then I had a major control battle at 50 feet!!!! c) (yes, new one!!) It flew forwards indoors, straight for a wall. I quickly sent it backwards and it shot at the opposite wall .... I sent it forwards and tried to get it to stop dead .... it went up and nearly hit the ceiling. I let the throttle off and it went forward at the wall again and so I reversed again....... Eventually, it went into a room width pendulum, so I gently got it under control and landed it. The wife said she thought I was doing acrobatics and her and Lucy gave me a round of applause, so I took a bow and pretended I did it on pupose!! Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 9:49:17 GMT
Ian All that says is that the speed needs to be scaled in accordance with the actual size.You don't normally see model railway carriages hurtling around the tracks at 100 MPH do you ? It seems to me that it would be a more interesting pastime if the speed was scaled back, and the result was a smoother flying experience.Perhaps they need that unrealistic turn of speed just to get airborne ? Alex
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 9:56:07 GMT
Ian All that says is that the speed needs to be scaled in accordance with the actual size.You don't normally see model railway carriages hurtling around the tracks at 100 MPH do you ? It seems to me that it would be a more interesting pastime if the speed was scaled back, and the result was a smoother flying experience.Perhaps they need that unrealistic turn of speed just to get airborne ? Alex That's what I think with the beginners, Alex. They whizz them up because it's very hard to hold them!! Then they juggle in the air and get them down as fast as possible to avoid drift. Perhaps we should go for the slowest possible ascent and descent. Actually, I can do that easily with the MCX2, but not so sure about the MSR. It's like holding a mad dog on a lead. The trouble is that we can't shrink air molecules to the same relative size as the heli. Mike, 190 mah batteries: www.miniaviation.com/products.htmlWonder how heavy/big they are? Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 5, 2011 12:12:16 GMT
I have 4 of the 190mAh batteries Ian... they are about 10mm longer than the stock batteries so you will have to re-trim a bit if you are going to use them.... Good "stick" time with them though, about 12 mins.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 16:52:45 GMT
They look a bit longer. I've been placing all batteries so that dead centre is centred in the cradle and then trimmed. I might try the bigger ones. Adds a tiny bit of weight which may also stabilise the heli. They're claiming on this graph another 200 seconds more than the Turnigy 160MaH. 3 minutes more flight time? That's a lot. www.miniaviation.com/KM_190P.htmlCome on then...... Has it arrived and have you tried to get it off the ground? Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 9:18:56 GMT
Could be if we didn't have to Log In to Sky.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 10:49:27 GMT
That drone looks like a UFO. You could have a bit of fun with that!!! I fancy a large insect myself. I'm still waiting to see if Mike has managed to get the Bee off the ground yet. It's much more difficult than it seems!! It's actually a test of nerves when they get big. Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 11:14:18 GMT
Hey Ian, I have found something more your speed. It's a solar powered HOVERING butterfly ! Regards Alex Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 13:29:34 GMT
Absolutely Gorgeous Alex!!! ;D
Can you imagine a lovely little butterfly doing a bank at 100 feet and coming down at you like a bird of prey?
Mike's sent the wind down south. We have it now so I have to stay in or my heli will be found in France!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 6, 2011 20:41:55 GMT
Absolutely Gorgeous Alex!!! ;D Can you imagine a lovely little butterfly doing a bank at 100 feet and coming down at you like a bird of prey? Mike's sent the wind down south. We have it now so I have to stay in or my heli will be found in France!! Ian Ian... word on the streets is the helicopter club will be starting in November (if they can secure a suitable venue)..... outdoor flying is pretty much a no no up here (maybe 20 totally windless days per year).... surely there's a large "indoor" venue you can go to down there? I think the only sad part about this hobby is the lack of fellow enthusiasts "with you" when you are flying..... much better to have a few like minded people around you.... it's the only real way to get feedback, tips and tweaks. January is a TOTALLY "still" month up here... clear skies and ICE... so looking forward to a bit of outdoor practice then. It was pretty calm here today but as soon as I finished my work it started gusting.... this "outdoor" flying lark is not really suited to the UK is it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 21:06:07 GMT
You're right there Mike. The weather has a major effect. With little helis, I keep low in mild breezes. When it's calm, I go anywhere I like!! You also learn to fly forwards with the heli pointing slightly sideways like in a cross wind!! I tend to stand with the wind in my face so if the heli gets blown, it's blown towards me. That way, you don't lose them so easily!! I can use a gymn to fly in. You're also right when you say that it's nice with other like minded people. It's the same with hi fi. Many people think we're nuts spending over £50 on a headphone. It's the same with helis except you're in a bigger minority. People just laugh I guess. Mainly because they haven't tried it and think that they fly themselves!! For me, it's a relaxation that takes my mind totally away from work because if I don't concentrate, I'll crash!!! Maybe some of the Scottish guys will come on here and discuss them? (or maybe they have their own site?) They may even get into hi fi as well!! I kind of ignore the scoffers and just get on with it. They soon stop laughing when the heli goes up a long way. They get fascinated as to how I'm going to get it down!! Then when they see a really smooth landing and (I know this is corny) a slow power down so the rotors appear natural, they end up being really impressed. I was looking around today to see if I could find a big coaxial to try outside. Something serene and calm before I get a racehorse. Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 7, 2011 10:34:32 GMT
Ian, Sam reckons the "mix" in the motherboard is what causes the MSR to be so slippery (as if it's always running away from you) He recommends the Nine Eagles pro 2 as it has the same motherboard as the MSR but without the "crazy" mix that E-Flite have tuned into it.... reckons it is a lot easier to fly. Another thing he said was you can fit the Nine Eagles pro 2 motherboard into the MSR (you can buy the motherboard seperately) and it will fly a lot better Reckons I am daft going with the Honey Bee CP3 and have missed out "5" stages between the MCX2 and the Honey Bee Apparantly there is only ONE guy in the area who can "hover" a Honey Bee, they are very advanced helicopters.... he says that you don't watch the fusilage you have to concentrate on the "disc" ( the rotationg blades) and you have to constantly anticipate and adjust to compensate "before" it happens. He strongly recommends the Nine Eagles Pro 2.... same size as the MSR too.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 7, 2011 11:17:26 GMT
Apparantly the swashplate connections on the MSR work loose a lot and you have to keep squeezing them back together.... another reason it may be slippy so keep an eye on that too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 16:30:58 GMT
I've got the MSR running pretty smoothly now, Mike. I can't fly fast indoors but can have a bit more fun outside with it. Indoors, I tootle around and I've found a couple of interesting things:
I tightened the blades so they're not so floppy. Basically, each plade can 'lag' behind the spin and also 'rush' into the spin on the other side. By tightening them down, this stops that happening to some extent and calms the flight characteristics a bit.
I've also learned to use the pendulum and turn at the top of a swing, or push slightly forward so that it stops dead and goes in to pretty good hover.
At this rate, I'll soon be moving on I think. I'm really getting to grips with it now and it is just a case of learning the heli's characteristics.
I've given my Bladez away. I had a whole fleet of them in various shapes, but they are crap in comparison to the MCX and MSR. I really like the MSR in particular and now considering 120 sr.
I have a high def video thingy, so may look into You Tube and get some on there if I can. Never done it before, but will have to look for a way of getting it so you can see the little beggers.
I'm really flying as slow as possible so I learn absolute control and that's the key imo. Like a piano or synth - continual very slow practise and not stretching your limits until you are extremely confident.
The MSR is well worth learning imo. (or maybe the other one Sam recommends) It's a real step from the MCX.
I went out with it tonight in a slight breeze. Now I have a better grip of it, it's great fun playing with the wind and getting the MSR to do mini swoops to turn its nose right into the wind and then throttle forward to hover. It flies a lot better than the MCX in breezes since it has more forward thrust and is really lively out there. Because there's more room you can relax and give it some more throttle than you would indoors, but I'm still working hard at control rather than scream about all over the place.
When I whizz about, I want it done in control, not like an accident that I luckily recover from!!
I reckon I'd manage a 120 sr pretty easily now. BTW, the new batteries arrived and they are really good. I get about 11 minutes at the moment and the extra weight calms things down a little too. Actually a bonus for outside flying tonight.
Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 10:12:57 GMT
A bit dull this morning, but just to show that I keep it simple indoors, Mike, I videoed one of the MCX2's. Just did a take off, then a figure of 8 in front of the camera, a few little circles and land. Nothing hard, but just getting speed/orientation stuff going. I normally go a lot smoother but I was watching in the camera and tried very hard to keep it in shot. It's hard to do that isn't it? I'll try an MSR flight later when there's more light and I'll show you how different it is. I haven't flown the MCX2 for two weeks and have kind of tuned into the MSR, so just simple bumbling about there. Now I've had time to work out You Tube, it's not too bad. It's just a question of finding space that will show the heli properly!! The MSR needs space, believe me!!!!! Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 9, 2011 11:18:07 GMT
Hey, nice vid Ian! Yes, very hard to keep the damned thing in shot..... you "think" it's in shot and when you play it back, no sightings of the helicopter! I'll go and take one myself now.... you've put me in the mood for an MCX2 video shoot
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 11:45:36 GMT
Yes, it's hard to keep in. I was watching on the screen while flying so it was a bit weird. We have a bit more light now, so I'll put the MSR up so you can see the speed differences.
I've kind of left the MCX2 for quite a while so not really as used to it as the MSR to be honest. I fint the MCX a bit tame. Especially that one which is on the short connections on the swashplate. I may change that over today. It's too slow for me.
On the low setting, it doesn't react quite where I'm used to it reacting so I'll change that this afternoon. BTW - if you do that to yours, make sure you use piers to hold the swashplate or else you end up pushing against the mechanics of the heli. It's worth doing.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 9, 2011 12:14:45 GMT
Yes, it's hard to keep in. I was watching on the screen while flying so it was a bit weird. We have a bit more light now, so I'll put the MSR up so you can see the speed differences. I've kind of left the MCX2 for quite a while so not really as used to it as the MSR to be honest. I fint the MCX a bit tame. Especially that one which is on the short connections on the swashplate. I may change that over today. It's too slow for me. On the low setting, it doesn't react quite where I'm used to it reacting so I'll change that this afternoon. BTW - if you do that to yours, make sure you use piers to hold the swashplate or else you end up pushing against the mechanics of the heli. It's worth doing. Ian Hi Ian, My swash has been on the high setting since day one
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 12:32:21 GMT
Oh sorry!! I wondered why it was moving fast!!! I had one on high and one on low. That one was on the low but I've moved it this afternoon. I put another vid up this afternoon since I find it much more controllable in high. I should have used the other one. I'll do an aerobatic on the MCX and the MSR!!!! Hopefully, the house will be peaceful and I'll be able to do it...... Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 14:52:28 GMT
This is the MSE which is a bugger to hold. More lively and makes the room feel smaller than the MCX. You feel that you run out of space so it works well outside. It also shows that pendulum that can happen:
And coming up, the MCX2 with swash changed. It disappeared out of shot for a while but this time, I watched the heli so I could land on the table at the other end of the room about 28 feet away from me. Sorry about the mess, we've had a party!! :
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