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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 13:47:40 GMT
I am trying to get a Flac file directly out of EAC. The build I have, EAC-1.0beta2, says it has Flac capability but I cannot find it as an option within the programme.
I can rip a wav using EAC and then convert it using Flac but I was under the impression that EAC could handle this in one step.
Any experienced users know the answer?
Thanks
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Post by joethearachnid on Aug 29, 2011 14:02:35 GMT
If you go to EAC > Compression options (or press F11) you can set the compression (though the sidebar button still says 'MP3'). Since I'm not sure what the default setup is, I'll just show a picture of my setup: Replace the program path with whereever you've installed the FLAC encoder to. I don't think the bitrate selection makes any difference for FLAC, and I'm not sure where the commandline stuff came from. It's probably fine to leave it blank. Hope that helps, -JoetheArachnid
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 14:24:35 GMT
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh,
Cheers Joe.
So once set up you use the mp3 tab i.e. CMP on EAC to do the do?
Am I getting you right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 15:30:31 GMT
Eek!
That is really S l o w wwwwwwwwww
and if I'm being really picky, no album art?
Is there a faster method?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 15:51:07 GMT
Eek! That is really S l o w wwwwwwwwww and if I'm being really picky, no album art? Is there a faster method? Hi Chris DBpoweramp ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D take care
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 15:54:23 GMT
Eek! That is really S l o w wwwwwwwwww and if I'm being really picky, no album art? Is there a faster method? Hi cj, Try dbPoweramp - it's got everything you need I would guess, and it's much quicker, but it's not free - easier to use also IMHO. Cheers, Dave
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Post by joethearachnid on Aug 29, 2011 16:43:49 GMT
EAC is fine if you don't mind a bit of a un-user-friendly interface and some extra legwork, but really I'd have to go with the others that dbPoweramp would be a better all-in-one solution. And yeah, it's pretty slow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2011 1:45:27 GMT
Thanks chaps!
Unless I can get EAC/Flac to work fully then DBpa may well be the way forward.
I could put up with the slow rips-n-compress if the album art came up. Being fiddly is not too much of a problem as wifey is happy with mp3 but if I get one I'd like to know it can work to my satisfaction.
Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2011 14:02:25 GMT
All sorted now and still using EAC. Images showing and rip times decreased.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 11:23:34 GMT
All sorted now and still using EAC. Images showing and rip times decreased. Hi Chris well done take care
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Post by stratmangler on Sept 9, 2011 1:12:18 GMT
All sorted now and still using EAC. Images showing and rip times decreased. Very good. Any chance of pointing other folk in the right direction? I gave up on 1. versions on EAC because bits I had working before ceased to function. Cheers Chris
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 1:41:38 GMT
All sorted now and still using EAC. Images showing and rip times decreased. Very good. Any chance of pointing other folk in the right direction? I gave up on 1. versions on EAC because bits I had working before ceased to function. Cheers Chris Hi Chris the stratmangler! Firstly get a bang up to date version of EAC, the older ones cannot handle the function. Now get a new edition of Flac (Flac "front end" is the important bit) See joethearachnids post above for setting EAC to use Flac Front End as an external encoder. Use the CMP button within EAC to create the Flac files in a predetermined folder. Be sure that the files are written to the hard drive or other internal memory device, this is important for speed! If you go directly to an external device the speed, or lack thereof, is really painful. If you have problems with the artwork look in the "Sansa Clip+" thread where this too is explained. Cheers, Chris the paistebuckler ;D
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Post by oldson on Oct 5, 2011 20:00:28 GMT
have had trouble with beta3 of eac regarding flac conversion. currently using beta1 again. interested in this dbpoweramp. does it do "error correction"?, as this is what drew me to EAC in the first place.
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 6, 2011 15:11:10 GMT
Why do you guys still want it in flac when wav is LOGICALLY (not subjective, btw) better? Have you guys do any comparison and heard no difference?
I'm going to do just that when I find some time after discovering Foobar can do from flac to wav of sampling and bit depth of <192khz 24 bits.
Btw, the latest EAC is now what version? Can work with Win7 64bits?Going to reinstal into the newer computers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 15:35:03 GMT
Chong,
I agree with you on the wav front. However, the reason I personaly required flac was that a Sansa Fuze+ player I was tinkering with would not organise wav files, i.e. was not able to read the wav tags.
So my logical second choice was flac, which does the trick nicely. (PS did you see my email ref. declipping?)
oldson,
I haven't tried beta3 but beta2 works perfectly on the flacs.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Oct 6, 2011 19:42:13 GMT
I didn't think it was possible to tag WAVs, which is why FLACs are so handy, with the smaller file size being useful on such storage devices as USB sticks, SDHC and Micro SDHC cards (for use in my Sansa Clip+ and Aune Mini APE player).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 20:39:35 GMT
Chong As far back as I can remember, I have always found that .flac , even after conversion to .wav, always sounded a little dull in comparison.My son also says the same, and he has no interest in anything I say in this area, I even had 2 versions of a test compilation CD. One burned with the original .wav files, and one burned using the same .wav files after conversion to .flac and back again.A couple of friends were able to pick the differenc within 30 seconds.HOWEVER, .flac is indeed lossless as claimed, and sounds markedly better if converted to .wav using a high quality linear PSU. I am not saying this to start another argument. Accept it, or disregard it. Alex
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 7, 2011 1:18:09 GMT
Chong As far back as I can remember, I have always found that .flac , even after conversion to .wav, always sounded a little dull in comparison.My son also says the same, and he has no interest in anything I say in this area, I even had 2 versions of a test compilation CD. One burned with the original .wav files, and one burned using the same .wav files after conversion to .flac and back again.A couple of friends were able to pick the differenc within 30 seconds.HOWEVER, .flac is indeed lossless as claimed, and sounds markedly better if converted to .wav using a high quality linear PSU. I am not saying this to start another argument. Accept it, or disregard it. Alex In fact, I have always like the idea of a complete uncompress music file. That's KISS at it's root and can't get any simpler. With storage prices coming down like a rock, there is really no need for compression any more when we use the files at home in a typical computer audio setup. Of course, as pointed out above, there are those who use those portable devices. It's only in these that storage is a premium as those use flash memories instead of HD. If I have one, I will also use flac. Thanks all for bringing me down to earth as I was looking at only a typical home computer audio system and have forgotten about the portable. My bad! Anyway, I will uncompress some hirez flacs into wav today as I'm on leave today and will also try to deloud the bloody Good Soup album. But comparing using HP + laptop system is not what I call a fair comparison as it's just not hirez enough. I need to instal the EAC first. Current EAC can use Win 7 64 bits, right? Anyway, whatever, I'm very confident it wouldn't be worse than the flac. Of course, if files originally come as wavs and don't need to decompress to wav will be best. This will be the least processing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 1:44:02 GMT
Chong With Broadband speed and allocations increasing, I just wish that people like Linn Records and HD Tracks would let me DL .wav files instead of files that they have converted to .flac. My experience with very high quality PSUs makes me wonder if their .flac files are as good as they can be. Many people often find that DL 16/44.1 .flac files from the Internet usually do not sound as good after conversion to .wav, as the CD you purchase after listening to the DL version.It's NOT "expectation Bias" either, just because you paid for this one. Alex
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 7, 2011 2:12:56 GMT
With Broadband speed and allocations increasing, I just wish that people like Linn Records and HD Tracks would let me DL .wav files instead of files that they have converted to .flac. Actually, that's precisely why they are in flac. However, we must not forget those less fortunate who doesn't have a high BW broadband. Anyway, they should give us a choice of wav or flac. My experience with very high quality PSUs makes me wonder if their .flac files are as good as they can be. Many people often find that DL 16/44.1 .flac files from the Internet usually do not sound as good after conversion to .wav, as the CD you purchase after listening to the DL version.It's NOT "expectation Bias" either, just because you paid for this one. In fact, their original studio master is wav and converting to flac will mean processing already. Only they just give us a choice!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 3:38:45 GMT
Chong I was referring mainly to DLs from the alt.binaries groups etc. where the quality of the PC used for the conversion to .flac is an unknown quantity, as is the actual quality of the CD rip itself used for the conversion.Do we know what type of equipment HD Tracks etc. are using for their conversions to .flac ? Alex
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 7, 2011 7:58:40 GMT
Chong Do we know what type of equipment HD Tracks etc. are using for their conversions to .flac ? Actually HDTracks is not only Chesky but also other music groups such as Verse, ECM, Warner, etc. So the ADCs and DSD decoders for those old analogue tapes will vary and dependent on the various music groups the mastering engineers for such and such a project. The same goes for those projects recorded directly to digital (PCM and DSD). But a good guess will be Apogee or DCS for PCM and EMM Labs or DCS for DSD for those audiophile labels. Even though, there was a big hooha for certain music files that were upsampled from 44 16 bits files to hirez and depended on the honesty of the engineers. For PCM to flac, that I don't know as that's use mainly for portability rather than as studio master tape file.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 9:02:50 GMT
That's my point. How do we know that it isn't just an old PowerMac G5 with it's numerous fans whizzing around inside, and some creating beatnotes and vibration too ?
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Post by lark on Oct 7, 2011 13:22:51 GMT
I just wish that people like Linn Records and HD Tracks would let me DL .wav files instead of files that they have converted to .flac. I think the main driver for using a format other than WAV is that, of the commonly supported WAV formats none support meta data that allows other information to be embedded in the WAV file. This means that you need to rely on strategies like using file names and directory structures to store information like artist, title, track number, etc - this works but is cumbersome to maintain, limits the information that can be stored and is non standard. Being non standard means there is hit and miss support for this type of approach when choosing playback systems and software. Embedded ID3 tag information in modern audio formats provide superior meta data capability that is a standard. Support for ID3 tagged media is very well supported. The folks at Linn Records understand that with modern hardware and software support for flac, that there are no compromises but significant benefits in providing only lossless as flac. Flac has a very large open source following and anyone can convert (transcode) a flac file to a 100% perfect WAV file for free with open source software or similar free ware. There are few rational reasons to avoid flac. Flac is currently the most effective well supported lossless storage format for your audio - until there is a better choice I would not accept anything else. The data in a flac file will not be compromised compared to its WAV counterpart. It contains the same data stored in a more efficient manner (think zip files) but are unlike MP3s which are an analogue to the WAV - a lossy interpretation, and nothing like flac. Choose WAV if you like, but you're going to gain nothing but sacrifice the flexibility and benefits of flac.
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Post by pcourtney1 on Oct 7, 2011 14:06:04 GMT
those of us that still use WAV, have paid for the excellent Tag&Rename software to tag all our files, I paid about 25 USD for this about 5 years ago when Musicmatch was sold to Yahoo Tag&Rename added ID3v2 tag to the ID3 wav riff chunk in the summer of 2006, and it works perfectly, even on my Squeezebox server, and many other players, so I don't know why you are misleading people about not being able to tag WAV files www.softpointer.com/tr.htmeven the European radio stations, and BBC Radio use WAV and Tag&Rename, amongst thousands of other professional organisations who also want to keep wav libraries for no other reason than they can ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wav and Naim use full bitrate WAV files when a CD is ripped to NainNet systems/servers, they don't use FLAC like Linn do
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