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Post by PinkFloyd on Aug 20, 2011 7:51:19 GMT
It was taking a charge OK, it accepted the latest firmware but it just wouldn't turn on.... I phoned Sandisk and they told me to hold the on / off button down for 20 seconds etc. etc....... NOTHING, it refused to turn on.
Oh well, these things happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 9:15:53 GMT
I didn't bother updating my Clip. I just made sure it would work on it's installed software before doing anything.
Just touched down in Guernsey. At 12,000 feet you get no bass at all from ie8 so I obviously need to live on the coast, nice and low for good bass response.
Unloading all the electrics and bloody import check to see if speakers, synths etc have any drugs inside.
Bloody mad. I asked them if they'd like to check my Sansa? Wife and daughter gone on ahead. Left me in customs!!! They're bloody mad here.
I hope I don't get this on way to France from here.
Still, at least there's Internet and Deep Purple on Sansa!!!
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Post by Z on Aug 20, 2011 13:10:33 GMT
how would altitude effect an IEM?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 13:45:47 GMT
This is all from memory so any figures may be less than accurate...
The average plane flying at 1200ft has its cabin pressurised to approx. the equivelant of 8000ft. If it was allowed to rise above the equivelant for 10,000ft passengers would start feel nasty effects like difficulty in breathing. The cabin cannot be pressurised to an average ground level equivelance as it would endanger cabin integrity.
On to sound, despite an IEM being shoved inside your ear canal and firing directly at your eardrum the sound response will be effected due to lower pressure air.
Q) Even that tiny amount in your ear?
A) Yes, plus the eardrum has an air pressure equalibrium with the air on the outside of the ear, or the IEM in this case, and that on the other side, controlled by the air coming in via the eustation tube (small canal running from the back of your throat to the rear side of the eardrum. It is, therefore, functioning completely in lower pressure air, effecting its amount of movement and our brains interpratation of that movement (via the cochlea).
The last time I went long haul I proved this to the kids after reading about this simple test on the web.
When you are at full cruising height save an empty soft plastic bottle like one for water. Close the lid tight. Have another look at it after you have landed, the bottle will be partially crushed. Proving that ground air pressure is greater than that of cabin pressure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 17:02:20 GMT
Well this was a little propellor plane and we were in the air for quite a short amount of time. About 45 minutes in the air and we stuck at12,000. Quite nice actually because the ground stayed mostly in view and we could see Guernsey way before we got close. A couple of jet liners went over us way up at 35,000 feet.
The ie8 literally sounds like an iPod earbud up there. Quite nasty really.
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Post by Z on Aug 20, 2011 17:59:29 GMT
This is all from memory so any figures may be less than accurate... The average plane flying at 1200ft has its cabin pressurised to approx. the equivelant of 8000ft. If it was allowed to rise above the equivelant for 10,000ft passengers would start feel nasty effects like difficulty in breathing. The cabin cannot be pressurised to an average ground level equivelance as it would endanger cabin integrity. On to sound, despite an IEM being shoved inside your ear canal and firing directly at your eardrum the sound response will be effected due to lower pressure air. Q) Even that tiny amount in your ear? A) Yes, plus the eardrum has an air pressure equalibrium with the air on the outside of the ear, or the IEM in this case, and that on the other side, controlled by the air coming in via the eustation tube (small canal running from the back of your throat to the rear side of the eardrum. It is, therefore, functioning completely in lower pressure air, effecting its amount of movement and our brains interpratation of that movement (via the cochlea). The last time I went long haul I proved this to the kids after reading about this simple test on the web. When you are at full cruising height save an empty soft plastic bottle like one for water. Close the lid tight. Have another look at it after you have landed, the bottle will be partially crushed. Proving that ground air pressure is greater than that of cabin pressure. makes me wonder how people use ety's on planes.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Aug 20, 2011 21:38:07 GMT
This is all from memory so any figures may be less than accurate... The average plane flying at 1200ft has its cabin pressurised to approx. the equivelant of 8000ft. If it was allowed to rise above the equivelant for 10,000ft passengers would start feel nasty effects like difficulty in breathing. The cabin cannot be pressurised to an average ground level equivelance as it would endanger cabin integrity. On to sound, despite an IEM being shoved inside your ear canal and firing directly at your eardrum the sound response will be effected due to lower pressure air. Q) Even that tiny amount in your ear? A) Yes, plus the eardrum has an air pressure equalibrium with the air on the outside of the ear, or the IEM in this case, and that on the other side, controlled by the air coming in via the eustation tube (small canal running from the back of your throat to the rear side of the eardrum. It is, therefore, functioning completely in lower pressure air, effecting its amount of movement and our brains interpratation of that movement (via the cochlea). The last time I went long haul I proved this to the kids after reading about this simple test on the web. When you are at full cruising height save an empty soft plastic bottle like one for water. Close the lid tight. Have another look at it after you have landed, the bottle will be partially crushed. Proving that ground air pressure is greater than that of cabin pressure. makes me wonder how people use ety's on planes. Who (in their right mind) would WANT to listen to music on a twin prop flight? I'd be more concerned about CRASHING INTO A MOUNTAIN and being burnt ALIVE...... I like to have my wits about me (when I'm in the air) incase I have to eject and break some bones on a 30,000 feet to zero rapid descent
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 22:11:39 GMT
A calm and keen flyer are you Mike A good point on the twin props though, even with the new turbo quieter types, they are really noisey. I reckon the IE8 or any other noise canceller would have it's work well and truly cut out to let you hear anything close to good SQ with those buggers droning away.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 6:12:03 GMT
It's a bit like sitting in front of a big fan and speaking. Your voice gets chopped up into bits if you speak.
Yes, they are noisy on take off and landing but once you're up they sound like a WW2 bomber.
Being on an internal flight, we only fly at 12,000 and airliners go over us, but you get a good view of what to hit down below.
I felt like I'd met Bergerac yesterday though- Jeez, they tried to nail me for anything they could find. I was frightened of breaking wind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 12:31:19 GMT
It's a bit like sitting in front of a big fan and speaking. Your voice gets chopped up into bits if you speak. Yes, they are noisy on take off and landing but once you're up they sound like a WW2 bomber. Ian ...but some music sounds great like that. Just imagine the bombadier in a B17 or 29 with some war time jive or whatever pumping through his head. Or in Vietnam with something like Surfing Bird (yeah ok they were jet engines) "A-well-a, everybody's heard about the bird Bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, the bird is the word A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word" etc. I guess now it would be... BOOM chic BOOM chic BOOM chic BOOM chic "We're all f'd up, in da hood gonna f you too, if I could If you don't look right, like us twats we'll smash you in, with baseball bats In da hood, yup! In da hood, yup! Tottenham bangers We're all f'd up"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 17:54:48 GMT
Yeah, but in a plane, you get 'ting chip ting chip'.
Actually, it's quite funny that some people think that a closed headphone fixes the bass at altitude.
I'm going to have to invent a pressurised headphone for planes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 16:34:13 GMT
The postman came fully loaded today!
The Fuze+, Porta pros, Memory cards (didn't realise they have to be pre-loaded by the PC, so I didn't buy a SD adaptor-POO!) and some other goodies!
I'm charged, I've loaded up test music. Pretty nifty and most definitely loud enough into the Koss, which straight out of the pack have nice bass but a little too polite in the HF dept. I'll see if that opens up a little. (Wifey is busy with another new toy at the mo.)
Question;
I suspect I'm using the wrong method of file transfer (copy 'n' paste) BUT, if I copy a folder the order of the tracks gets changed on playback (they are numbered 01, 02 etc before the song name). The files look in the correct order using PC view but play in a different one.
Any tips?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 17:18:19 GMT
Chris, is it shoving 10 and 11 onwards into the wrong place?
If I have numbers I use 3 so number 1 is 001 not 01. That sometimes helps.
To put files on the card, put it into the Fuze and your computer should show a new drive. Just drag and drop folders of (I presume) albums into the new drive.
My clip comes up as Sanza drive F and then just another drive named G. (one more than the Sanza) so I guess it's the same as the Fuze.
If you're ripping yourself then renumbering before the name with the 3 numbers may get over the 'order of files' problem.
The Portapro can be made to sound more open by making a hole in the centre of the pads. I must admit, I have found them a little variable. (I've had 4) I tend to listen slightly louder on the Portapro - that brings treble up. I do think they change a bit as well with time.
Btw- the card takes quite a long time to load up and when you disconnect the Fuze, it takes it's time to read the card. I have a 32 gig on the Clip and it is quite slow, but once loaded, the whole thing works fast.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 18:34:12 GMT
I seem to be having problems. The order of the tracks is now in perfect reverse. I've retried using drag and drop but no change. I tried the three number format but no Plus, although the laptop finds the sd card, (I didn't notice it before because I had so many flipping things connected!) the Sansa says "File system error!Please format the uSD Card to FAT32". So I have reformatted, same thing. I can't get didly out of the cards using the Sansa (x2 get the same result) with the same error coming back. I think I'll try the new frimware and see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 19:37:20 GMT
I also tried the new firmware Much better! SD cards are now happy! As for track order, still a little screwy; under "artists" plays list in reverse order under "albums" ditto under "folders" yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! We have take off. is this normal for any other Fuze+ users (or Clip+)?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 20:01:05 GMT
That's strange, Chris. I guess the new firmware must have dealt with the card problem.
My Clip has the latest software already on it. I had some kind of problem with the updated programme itself so I took it off. It made my computer huff at me and come up with some error code so I gave up.
It uses the 'tags' on mp3 files to sort them and if I go into artists, it gives me a list of their albums and then if I choose an album, the songs are in album order!
To file albums on the disc, I created a folder with the group/artist name. Inside the artist's name, I have a folder for each album by that artist and inside that, the songs.
So, Artist-Album-Songs. They are tagged as well. I'm pretty sure that the Fuze uses tags to do the sorting. When ripping, do you look up album details in order to tag them?
My Clip is behaving itself so it's most likely something to do with the way you have them stored on the Fuze or the tags.
Are you just putting all the songs into one place or are you using folders? Mine seems to be aware of the folders so when I choose an album to listen to. I go into folders/artist/Album/play all and them the album plays in the correct order.
Ian
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 20:07:34 GMT
Sorry - double post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 23:48:47 GMT
Sussed it! The reason pretty much completes me having a very "blonde" day Ian, I had already done all the things you kindly explained (except one), it was starting to drive me nuts. I knew it had to be "pilot error", but where? Folder system the same, tags all complete, wtf? Oh! could it be that I was dumping lossless wav into the Fuze rather than mp3? Quick change of format and rez and Huzzaaah! By Jove it works chaps iTunes, shmy-tunes, it is time to meet your maker
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 6:41:00 GMT
Oh, it won't sort wavs?
Mine are mostly images so are in one big lump. How strange. You would have thought a tag was a tag.
Oh well, at least you know what it is now!
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Post by funk1969 on Aug 25, 2011 8:26:50 GMT
No tags for WAV, something I do dislike about this tiny wonder of a DAP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 10:44:19 GMT
If you number each file before the name with 001 etc, does this not help? I'll have a look at that when I get home.
Chris, another thing with the Portapro - if you want to lift the treble, for some ears, lifting them so they're higher up your ears sometimes helps. (apart from making a hole in the pads) compared to the Senn px100, they are actually a little more extended.
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Get off that mountain and go down to sea level!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 14:36:28 GMT
Ian, I've tried numbering in two and three figures but no luck. I even tried A, B, C etc. nope! Fiddled with the tagging system, nada. For wav I think the only way is to record in chunks like you have. Get off that mountain and go down to sea level!! Ian ...you trying to say I have my head in the clouds All listening thus far has been on the coast and when oop 'ill it's only 550 metres so I haven't experienced an imploding head yet, mind you, with only a vacuum inside I may be in danger ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 0:36:34 GMT
I've left these on blast since they arrived, my wife likes them now but prefers the Hisoundaudio PAA-1. They've loosened a little from pack-fresh. For me I've shifted them slightly backwards on my ears (listening now), so that the centre of the driver fires at the pinna just behind the canal opening and set the band pressure for med/light. Ian, You're dead right about listening to them at higher volumes! I have been doing some serious loading up on the Fuze+ and find it very nice to use, far preferable to an iPlop I'm hoping wifey will settle for this with the PAA-1, though she finds the controls a little awkward BUT also better than iCrud. ( No defense needed from iPot owners that love it, I just hate the damn things and the i(Looney)Toons that goes with them )
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 8:06:18 GMT
Yes, it's quite funny Chris that reviews of headphones often don't give any idea of what I call 'focus' volumes.
With many headphones, I look for the place where treble and bass kind of 'click' into focus and it's different for each make of headphone.
The Portapro is bass weighted so moving them slightly up kind of physically changes their impedance so they can often seem less bassy when moved. You may also need to up the volume as well.
Women don't tend to like headphones with big bass. Can your wife stand ear buds? The PX100 II is too mellow for me but the PX200 II has much more top. I don't particularly care for it myself but she may prefer something like that.
I must admit, it's a difficult area for headphones. Both open and closed. It seems that you have to spend quite a lot of money to improve mini headphones.
The Portapro stands out in that price region. Other than that, IMO it's a case of moving up the price range!!
Amongst the cheaper buds - Senn 300 and 400? They are cheap (ish). Still bass led but not as much. My preference is the 400 since it's less thick sounding and my wife gets on with them, although they can be diddly for a good fit. One thing she loves is the in line volume control so she can instantly turn it down and poke her nose into everyone else's business!! ;-)
It seems ridiculous spending what I have done on iem's but for me, it was the only way to get really excellent sound on the move. The rest for me were/are compromises.
I use Klipsch x10. (my wife really likes them) Good top end and not same bass heaviness as Portapro. Real crystal clarity and easy fit.
Klipsch x8 which is extremely close to x10 but a bit wider, so for some (especially men) a better/easier fit.
Senn ie8 - bass led sound. Terrific at high volume. Just doesn't sound like an iem. However, for many, the fit can be very difficult.
Triplefi 10 - excellent bass and for most, an easier fit. They are quite big and stick out of your ears a bit but good sound.
Mike has problems with iem's so I sent him a pair of these and I think he is able (just) to get on with these, except he likes to chat to people on the bus!!
Actually, the Superfi 5 and 5eb are nice as well. Kind of similar to Triplefi but smaller. I really liked them.
So, when you add all 4 up, it's getting to about 700 quid!!!
Just puts Portapro into perspective! ;-)
Ian
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