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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 20:30:10 GMT
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Post by joethearachnid on Jan 17, 2011 20:39:22 GMT
Interesting, hmm.
Does it just have a captive power lead on one end? The pictures aren't clear on that.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 20:45:47 GMT
Interesting, hmm. Does it just have a captive power lead on one end? The pictures aren't clear on that. -JoetheArachnid Hi Joe, Yes, one side has the input (captive lead with fitted 3 pin mains plug) other side is the 3 pin output socket.... I've just plugged my CD player into it, will have a listen later.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 21:17:04 GMT
Can't really make the exact schematics out but it looks like a separation transformer where the CT of the secondary is connected to ground with a unusually high capacitance over the secondary. This Centretap and cap is the 'conditioning' part and makes sure each mains connected has always 115V referenced to ground. The very big capacitor on the secondary MIGHT be there to make the transformer 'resonate' around 50Hz making a cleaner 50Hz mains voltage.
Put a good line filter in the primary and you'll have CLEAN output voltage, probably cleaner as with a true sinewave no break ! Also you do not have to worry about the 'right phase' regarding leakage currents as the phase of the secondary is not of importance anymore (it being grounded at CT)
Nice one Mike !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 21:31:11 GMT
Interesting, hmm. Does it just have a captive power lead on one end? The pictures aren't clear on that. -JoetheArachnid Hi Joe, Yes, one side has the input (captive lead with fitted 3 pin mains plug) other side is the 3 pin output socket.... I've just plugged my CD player into it, will have a listen later. I would have thought the last place you would need a mains conditioner is far northern Scotland ? Especially as you listen to music without other distractions ! (multitasking.)
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 21:34:30 GMT
I've been listening for about 20 minutes and can safely say this "conditioner" has improved the sound quality quite markedly. I have my CD player connected to it and will definitely be buying another one for the amp! I don't know how or what this magic box is doing to make the "music" sound so much more alive but, whatever it is, it's working.... not "subtle" either, the sonics are so much more refined, the minutiae of detail is dancing about my head and I can home in on it with pinpoint accuracy, it's as if we have gone from "one layer" of sound to a multitude of layers, this is a serious step up in the sonic department. £20 "shipped"? INCREDIBLE value for money and, by far, the most noticeable improvement I have ever heard, at any price I'm off to buy a few more!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 21:51:20 GMT
Can't really make the exact schematics out but it looks like a separation transformer where the CT of the secondary is connected to ground with a unusually high capacitance over the secondary. This Centretap and cap is the 'conditioning' part and makes sure each mains connected has always 115V referenced to ground. The very big capacitor on the secondary MIGHT be there to make the transformer 'resonate' around 50Hz making a cleaner 50Hz mains voltage. Put a good line filter in the primary and you'll have CLEAN output voltage, probably cleaner as with a true sinewave no break ! Also you do not have to worry about the 'right phase' regarding leakage currents as the phase of the secondary is not of importance anymore (it being grounded at CT) Nice one Mike ! I'll take some more (detailed) photos Frans. Just ordered another two of them along with some gunmetal spray paint, I reckon they will look the dog's nads if they are finished in gunmetal grey..... so you reckon it's worthwhile to fit a line filter in the primary? I've got loads of those "schurter" (all in one) filters kicking about, plenty of room inside the BT enclosure to fit one too This thing has got me salivating again, any little "box" that improves the SQ is a worthy addition but any "box" that only costs £20 GBP "shipped" is a MUST HAVE addition! This is one of those "run, don't walk, over to your computer and hit the buy it now button" type of moments.... they are few and far between, but this is one of these moments..... RUN!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 21:53:04 GMT
Hi Joe, Yes, one side has the input (captive lead with fitted 3 pin mains plug) other side is the 3 pin output socket.... I've just plugged my CD player into it, will have a listen later. I would have thought the last place you would need a mains conditioner is far northern Scotland ? Especially as you listen to music without other distractions ! (multitasking.) Well..... we have both been proved wrong and this is not a mains "conditioner" as such
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Post by pjc68 on Jan 17, 2011 22:31:38 GMT
Mmm not bad for 20 quid mike. A good way to clean the mains supply is use deoxit on every contact, I cleaned L,N,E in every wall socket and light switch (mains isolated) with a little spray of deoxit d5, before i fitted a new consumer unit i even cleaned the live busbar, neutral and earth bar plus the main switch were the meter tails come in (be carefull here, unless there is a double pole isolating switch before the consumer unit you will get fried) then i made sure all the supplementary earth bonding was up to scratch with 10mm earth cable with bonding straps between the pipes under the sinks and bath, cleaned with deoxit, fitted a nickel earth bar for the gas and water bonding and return back to the suppliers side (TNS), not only will this lower the impedence of the mains and earthing (Ze +Zs) it will make your hifi sound clearer and more musical with lower noise. Dont mean to overdo the safety aspect but i wouldnt want anyone to get a belt off the mains, only attempt if you feel competent. paddy
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 22:40:23 GMT
Mmm not bad for 20 quid mike. A good way to clean the mains supply is use deoxit on every contact, I cleaned L,N,E in every wall socket and light switch (mains isolated) with a little spray of deoxit d5, before i fitted a new consumer unit i even cleaned the live busbar, neutral and earth bar plus the main switch were the meter tails come in (be carefull here, unless there is a double pole isolating switch before the consumer unit you will get fried) then i made sure all the supplementary earth bonding was up to scratch with 10mm earth cable with bonding straps between the pipes under the sinks and bath, cleaned with deoxit, fitted a nickel earth bar for the gas and water bonding and return back to the suppliers side (TNS), not only will this lower the impedence of the mains and earthing (Ze +Zs) it will make your hifi sound clearer and more musical with lower noise. Dont mean to overdo the safety aspect but i wouldnt want anyone to get a belt off the mains, only attempt if you feel competent. paddy
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 22:43:26 GMT
Mmm not bad for 20 quid mike. A good way to clean the mains supply is use deoxit on every contact, I cleaned L,N,E in every wall socket and light switch (mains isolated) with a little spray of deoxit d5, before i fitted a new consumer unit i even cleaned the live busbar, neutral and earth bar plus the main switch were the meter tails come in (be carefull here, unless there is a double pole isolating switch before the consumer unit you will get fried) then i made sure all the supplementary earth bonding was up to scratch with 10mm earth cable with bonding straps between the pipes under the sinks and bath, cleaned with deoxit, fitted a nickel earth bar for the gas and water bonding and return back to the suppliers side (TNS), not only will this lower the impedence of the mains and earthing (Ze +Zs) it will make your hifi sound clearer and more musical with lower noise. Dont mean to overdo the safety aspect but i wouldnt want anyone to get a belt off the mains, only attempt if you feel competent. paddy Paddy, Sorry man, you are singing from an extremely misinformed / potentially life threatening / hymn sheet. Mike. Edited in error Alex
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 23:00:04 GMT
Mmm not bad for 20 quid mike. A good way to clean the mains supply is use deoxit on every contact, I cleaned L,N,E in every wall socket and light switch (mains isolated) with a little spray of deoxit d5, before i fitted a new consumer unit i even cleaned the live busbar, neutral and earth bar plus the main switch were the meter tails come in (be carefull here, unless there is a double pole isolating switch before the consumer unit you will get fried) then i made sure all the supplementary earth bonding was up to scratch with 10mm earth cable with bonding straps between the pipes under the sinks and bath, cleaned with deoxit, fitted a nickel earth bar for the gas and water bonding and return back to the suppliers side (TNS), not only will this lower the impedence of the mains and earthing (Ze +Zs) it will make your hifi sound clearer and more musical with lower noise. Dont mean to overdo the safety aspect but i wouldnt want anyone to get a belt off the mains, only attempt if you feel competent. paddy Paddy, Sorry man, you are singing from an extremely misinformed / potentially life threatening / hymn sheet. Mike. Paddy While I agree that the earthing aspect is very important, I completely agree with Mike's reply . What you are recommending is irresponsible and downright dangerous unless you are a qualified electrician. I hope that Deoxit completely evaporates almost immediately, as spraying it into 3 pins mains sockets may have the potential to trip ELBs. I hope that it is not flammable too ? Alex
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Post by pjc68 on Jan 17, 2011 23:02:23 GMT
Mike I trained for 4 years to get my electricians qualifications (2330 pts 2+3) and regs qualifications (16th edt at the time). But so what, theres people on here a lot cleverer than me and my dayjob is not a spark. All i was pointing out is that if you clean the contacts in the mains then you get a cleaner sound on your hifi and it works cos i,ve done it myself, i put a dont try if your not competent warning at the end hoping someone reading it dosent try and get a belt in the process as you know a lot of people on here are very competent when it comes to electricity paddy
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Post by pjc68 on Jan 17, 2011 23:08:22 GMT
Alex The time you have cleaned evrything it will have evoporated, iv,e never tripped an mcb or rcd doing this or heard that shorting outt buzz. Yeah i suppose your right i should of thought before i typed, just do the bonding part on the pipes then as that makes an improvement. paddy
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Post by freddypipsqueek on Jan 17, 2011 23:13:34 GMT
Been using a BT conditioner for a year or so. A 2 socket version. It improved the sound to both my headphone amp and DAC. They are a bargain at £20-25 though they look very ugly. I would appreciate a step by step guide on how to "Put a good line filter in the primary ".
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 23:21:30 GMT
Been using a BT conditioner for a year or so. A 2 socket version. It improved the sound to both my headphone amp and DAC. They are a bargain at £20-25 though they look very ugly. I would appreciate a step by step guide on how to "Put a good line filter in the primary ". Watch this space
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 23:27:52 GMT
Alex The time you have cleaned evrything it will have evoporated, iv,e never tripped an mcb or rcd doing this or heard that shorting outt buzz. Yeah i suppose your right i should of thought before i typed, just do the bonding part on the pipes then as that makes an improvement. paddy Hi Paddy Years ago I lived in a house that was electrically noisy. It turned out that the main earth had corrosion.After cleaning and rebonding, the house was electrically quiet. I would recommend BEFORE undoing the mains earth,and then only do that if necessary, that it be bypassed with a temporary longer heavy duty loop to ensure that an earth was still present while playing around.Of course, the main circuit breaker should be switched off before doing this.I was much more gung- ho when younger, and didn't turn off the main circuit breaker, but at least I did fit the temporary bypass. Alex P.S. In some older places you may THINK you have everything safely turned off. P.P.S. Those BT conditioners must be damn heavy ! 0 Bids AU $24.09 Buy it now AU $32.13 +AU $72.28
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Post by pjc68 on Jan 17, 2011 23:48:05 GMT
Alex The time you have cleaned evrything it will have evoporated, iv,e never tripped an mcb or rcd doing this or heard that shorting outt buzz. Yeah i suppose your right i should of thought before i typed, just do the bonding part on the pipes then as that makes an improvement. paddy Hi Paddy Years ago I lived in a house that was electrically noisy. It turned out that the main earth had corrosion.After cleaning and rebonding, the house was electrically quiet. I would recommend BEFORE undoing the mains earth,and then only do that if necessary, that it be bypassed with a temporary longer heavy duty loop to ensure that an earth was still present while playing around.Of course, the main circuit breaker should be switched off before doing this.I was much more gung- ho when younger, and didn't turn off the main circuit breaker, but at least I did fit the temporary bypass. Alex Alex The only time i would take the return earth out while the circuit was still live would be to do a earth fault loop impedence test back to the substation (Ze) to see how many amps would flow under a fault condition V If = Ze Otherwise the main switch gets turned off. The safest one for someone who,s unsure is the bonding between 2 pipes under the sink or bath as they are not near any live conducters. just clean the 2 pipes with wire wool were the bonding straps are going, spray some deoxit, fit clamps and fit a short lenth of 10mm earth cable to the straps and spray with deoxit and thats it. paddy
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Post by pjc68 on Jan 17, 2011 23:52:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 0:43:36 GMT
Hi Paddy Years ago I lived in a house that was electrically noisy. It turned out that the main earth had corrosion.After cleaning and rebonding, the house was electrically quiet. I would recommend BEFORE undoing the mains earth,and then only do that if necessary, that it be bypassed with a temporary longer heavy duty loop to ensure that an earth was still present while playing around.Of course, the main circuit breaker should be switched off before doing this.I was much more gung- ho when younger, and didn't turn off the main circuit breaker, but at least I did fit the temporary bypass. Alex Alex The only time i would take the return earth out while the circuit was still live would be to do a earth fault loop impedence test back to the substation (Ze) to see how many amps would flow under a fault condition V If = Ze Otherwise the main switch gets turned off. The safest one for someone who,s unsure is the bonding between 2 pipes under the sink or bath as they are not near any live conducters. just clean the 2 pipes with wire wool were the bonding straps are going, spray some deoxit, fit clamps and fit a short lenth of 10mm earth cable to the straps and spray with deoxit and thats it. paddy Paddy I was MUCH younger then, and wouldn't do that again. To do so would also put other occupants of the house at risk while it was being done. In this case ,the main earth was bonded to a water pipe underneath the house. Alex
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Post by xerxes on Jan 18, 2011 5:51:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 6:27:29 GMT
Separartion transformers and line filters will NOT be your thing. They INCREASE the impedance of the mains considerably. But then again... a low power supply impedance is created by the (BIG) reservoir caps and voltage regulators and not by the transformers, mains or rectifiers (everything behind the reservoir caps in essence).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 7:11:47 GMT
Separartion transformers and line filters will NOT be your thing. They INCREASE the impedance of the mains considerably. But then again,,, a low power supply impedance is created by the (BIG) output caps and voltage regulators and not by the transformers or mains. Frans I agree, although I do use a home brew heavy duty mains filter with different sections feeding the TV and Audio sides. This is however mainly for protection from surges, which the included VDRs should help limit considerably. Alex
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Post by gommer on Jan 18, 2011 10:49:37 GMT
Oh my, this power conditioner reminds me of a hype that i jumped on a long time ago. Some of you might know Dejan Veselinovic, he used to be a tnt-audio reviewer and was later kicked out of the tnt-audio club. Anyway, there seems to be traces left of the whole story: peufeu.free.fr/audio/articles/Dezoreltxt.pdfI was one of the guys that took benefit of the TNT rebate. And now for the funny part: The DeZorel filter has been sitting in the closet for 10 years now. Must try it sometime soon
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Post by xerxes on Jan 18, 2011 14:55:25 GMT
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