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Post by clausdk on Apr 9, 2009 12:58:11 GMT
2 days ago my brother inlaw and hes husband visitet us, great guys both of them, they had a birthdaypresent for our son (Arthur 2 years) it was one of those cars that transport other cars and the kid just loves cars, so all is well one might think...................... BUT NO today that stupid thing broke in the joint, where the main wagon and the trailer is put together and the poor guy just cried his eyes out for severel hours, so as the father I am, I replaced the plastic thingi with a stainlesssteel bolt, so now it will not break apart in at least a week... Why the fck are they making those stupid toys so fragile It drives me nuts and I have spent hours upon hours mending all kind of crap and I just had with all that cheap crap toys, they look nice and shiny but they all break apart in a matter of days (some off them in a matter of minutes)..... Heres is to all toymakers that produce chep crap may they burn in HELL..
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Post by skunkworks on Apr 9, 2009 17:44:05 GMT
Wait until your boy get's to like Transformers, you'll wish you never bought him one. My sisters kids like them a lot but they're so damn hard to transform that you'll end up pulling your hairs out and trow it out the window .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2009 19:26:22 GMT
Wait until your boy get's to like Transformers, you'll wish you never bought him one. My sisters kids like them a lot but they're so damn hard to transform that you'll end up pulling your hairs out and trow it out the window . HeHe, I work them faster than my son does, much to his dismay, I quite like them ;D
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Post by robertkd on Apr 10, 2009 8:01:26 GMT
Wait until your boy get's to like Transformers, you'll wish you never bought him one. My sisters kids like them a lot but they're so damn hard to transform that you'll end up pulling your hairs out and trow it out the window . HeHe, I work them faster than my son does, much to his dismay, I quite like them ;D Go Transformers,... more then meets the eyes
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Post by clausdk on Apr 10, 2009 12:53:46 GMT
I just can not wait til it is the Transformers that is the preffered toys DOH
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Post by insomniac on Apr 10, 2009 14:20:59 GMT
Maybe this is to condition kids to expect most things they buy in future to be "throwaway" or needing modded in some way before they are suitable for proper use? That or the toy manufacturers just want to sell more fragile crap to replace the prematurely broken fragile crap
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Post by robertkd on Apr 10, 2009 14:22:55 GMT
Maybe this is to condition kids to expect most things they buy in future to be "throwaway" or needing modded in some way before they are suitable for proper use? That or the toy manufacturers just want to sell more fragile crap to replace the prematurely broken fragile crap careful now I'm seeing a circular reference here
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Post by insomniac on Apr 10, 2009 14:47:23 GMT
Maybe this is to condition kids to expect most things they buy in future to be "throwaway" or needing modded in some way before they are suitable for proper use? That or the toy manufacturers just want to sell more fragile crap to replace the prematurely broken fragile crap careful now I'm seeing a circular reference here
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Post by skunkworks on Apr 10, 2009 21:09:24 GMT
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Post by derekrumble on Sept 3, 2009 12:38:36 GMT
Four years ago I worked part-time at Christmas in Toys r Us. The first day that the store opens after Christmas the queue for exchanges and refunds is unbelievably huge. All those 50 quid a throw Daleks, Bratz dolls and My Little ....'king Pony that didn't make it to Boxing Day. Sigh.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 3, 2009 21:27:30 GMT
2 days ago my brother inlaw and hes husband visitet us, great guys both of them, they had a birthdaypresent for our son (Arthur 2 years) it was one of those cars that transport other cars and the kid just loves cars, so all is well one might think...................... BUT NO today that stupid thing broke in the joint, where the main wagon and the trailer is put together and the poor guy just cried his eyes out for severel hours, so as the father I am, I replaced the plastic thingi with a stainlesssteel bolt, so now it will not break apart in at least a week... Why the fck are they making those stupid toys so fragile It drives me nuts and I have spent hours upon hours mending all kind of crap and I just had with all that cheap crap toys, they look nice and shiny but they all break apart in a matter of days (some off them in a matter of minutes)..... Heres is to all toymakers that produce chep crap may they burn in HELL.. In my day we had to be "careful" when we played with toys and weren't allowed to smash fck out of them in Doctor's surgeries (for example).... it seems the norm now to let children do what they want, how they want, when they want, where they want... there is no discipline and they have no respect for anything be it toys or anything else. Have the toys "really" become more fragile or have the children just become more destructive and frustrated? I, certainly, "never" smashed fck out of my toys (my father wouldn't have allowed it) and neither did any of my friends.... the toys we had were cherished and loved, so much so that many of them still survive and are worth quite a lot of money. Sooo........ ask yourself this question..... are the toys more fragile or is your kid just a destructive little bastard who is out of control? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 21:37:34 GMT
Mike Often those kids grow up as adults with exactly the same attitude ! Alex
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Post by Will on Sept 3, 2009 21:53:42 GMT
Hmm... There is a lot of crap, cheap toys (and stuff in general, being quite honest) that breaks easily. It's built to a cost, not a quality, with profit being the driver. That £50 dalek that Derek mentions? My eldest saved up his pocket money (which he earns through doing chores) to buy one. Loved playing with it, but bit's fell off, and not through abuse. It was built using the minimal amount of effort required. I can remember toys when I was a kid being much better built than they are today.
There are far more kids growing up today with good manners, respecting what they have had bought them, not getting their own way, etc, etc, than you may think. It just that they get hidden behind the minority of kids who arn't being brought up with any social skills.
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Post by clausdk on Sept 3, 2009 22:19:22 GMT
I do not think that kids are more destruktive today than they were 20-40 years ago, we just have a much bigger selection of toys and because of that there is more companies that will emerge produce a truckload of crap, earn their money and dissapeer..
The good toys are still produced by those companies that made my toys Lego, Fisher Price, playmobil, Brio and the list goes on. Those brands make nearly unbreakable toys.
I also think that calling a 2 year old a destructive little bastard who is out of control, is a little out of line, he is 2 years and 2 year olds are destruktive by nature, they do not have the fine motor skills of an elder child and therefore are way tougher with their toys.
The real problem is that a lot of people buys toys that are for much older kids, simply because they do not have children themselves or know what a 2 year old plays with and how he plays (my kids uncles are excused, they are married to each other)..
So the lesson I have learnt is, not to say which toy the kid wants but what brand he/I want them to buy, sounds a bit cruel but it saves me, my wife and most important of all Arthur for a lot of troubles and dissapointment..
And many cheap chinese toys breaks, just by looking at them..
If in doubt, about how bad the stuff from China is, just ask Graham ...
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 3, 2009 22:32:56 GMT
Hmm... There is a lot of crap, cheap toys (and stuff in general, being quite honest) that breaks easily. It's built to a cost, not a quality, with profit being the driver. That £50 dalek that Derek mentions? My eldest saved up his pocket money (which he earns through doing chores) to buy one. Loved playing with it, but bit's fell off, and not through abuse. It was built using the minimal amount of effort required. I can remember toys when I was a kid being much better built than they are today. There are far more kids growing up today with good manners, respecting what they have had bought them, not getting their own way, etc, etc, than you may think. It just that they get hidden behind the minority of kids who arn't being brought up with any social skills. Thankfully I don't have the inconvenience of "kids" but those "kids" I see around me in everyday life are horrible little brats and, if they were mine, I'd give them a damned good slapping. Social skills my arse, a child is a child and should act like a child (seen but not heard)....the minute they become mouthy you tell them to STFU.... do this repeatedly and they get the message.... if they don't "tow the line" you give them a slap on the arse.... if they still don't behave you have failed as a parent and hand the little bastards over to the government who will care for them until they're old enough to go to prison. Anything under the age of 16 has ZERO "rights" as far as I'm concerned..... they do as they are told under the supervision of a responsible adult..... don't like it? TOUGH! that's the way it is under my roof you little bastard.... shape up or ship out, as soon as you're capable of contributing to the bills you've got a "say"..... until that, shut up and respect your elders. I SERIOUSLY have NO time for these parents who let their children "develop" naturally and shove it down our throats that they are "only children".... bollocks! It was only 100 years ago that these little scroats were down holes mining for coal and when they were old enough to form an opinion they were shot in the trenches....... Don't blame the "toys" blame the "parenting" for the state this world is in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 22:34:12 GMT
I still agree in general,with Mike's observation about kids and toys,especially in doctor's surgeries. Discipline is often a problem these days, because nosey neighbours are likely to call the police if an unruly child who ignores repeated requests to behave, gets a ruler across the bum, and screams blue bloody murder. Likewise, if you smack a child who throws a tantrum in a supermarket,or lays down screaming on the footpath, you are likely to have some other adult have a go at you. It happened a couple of years back to my son, when my grandson who has ADHD did this. In this instance, it was a woman from DOCS, (Dept. of Community Services) who attempted to lay down the law, and threatened my son.
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Post by clausdk on Sept 3, 2009 23:34:13 GMT
Alex: Hitting kids just shows that you are not capable to manage the situation, hitting will never be a part of my upbringing. I spoked to my father about this and his word was that he got serious beating when he was a child and it did not work on him so why should he be hitting his kids?? Great man my dad.
If my kid goes down on the floor, I pick him up and drive home or I just let him lie there, then he finds out that it does not get him anywhere and stop doing it. I know people are looking and thinking but I really do not care.
I would also object if someone beats their kids, it is just not right. I will not call the police or threaten them or anything but I will raise my voice, I do the same if someone beats up their dog, violence is no solution for anything.
If Arthur behaves very bad he is sent to his room and beleive me it is a lot harder punishment than just a slap of a ruler.
Mike: I really hope that you will get kids soon, then you will be a hole lot wiser on that subject.
If we are talking about older kids 4 and up it is another story, then they must behave, because their brains are ready to take its turn, they can think abstract, see cause/konsekvens and those kind of things, but beeing 1-3 they are just not capable of doing that.
Just look at small kids if they fall and hurt their knees, the parent just blows on his HANDS and the pain is gone, kids are kind of stupid that way, but it is the way that their brains work.
Ohh and by the way my kid treat the toys at our doctor very good, but give him a cheap chinese car and he destroys it in a matter of seconds, it is about durability, hell I had maybe a third of my kids toys and our toys were much more expensive than toys today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 0:02:36 GMT
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Obviously you have never had to manage a child with ADD who often becomes quite aggressive. My young grandson once punched me in the face and buckled my glasses frames when he was asked not to do something.FWIW, my grandson and his family will be attending a live-in remedial course for a week in early December. They regularly see specialists in the field, who are continually updated with the problems arising. Medication like Ritalin can only do so much, and should not be used more often than necessary. You can NOT reason with such a child before the medication. A strict diet is also necessary to avoid substances that are known to affect behavioural patterns. You obviously have good children who can be reasoned with .You are lucky ! FWIW, I did not need to administer any more than the occasional smack on the bum to my son when he was growing up. This was only necessary after he had been very naughty. SandyK
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 0:14:20 GMT
Mike and clausdk.
I think both your replies have merit but are over simplified.
All kids are different, the parent(s) have to quickly find the methods that work best on their little darlings. This can vary all over the place e.g. a harsh look or word, the threat of taking away a privelage or toy (MUST be carried through if FIRST threat is not heeded), grounding etc etc.
I'm not adverse to a dealing a mild physical punishment if required, again fine tuned to the kid.
I agree the "oh don't destroy that ?------? sweetie pie" does not work, at that point the parent needs a whack! WAKE UP YOU DOZEY GIT!
Many (NON toddler) kids respond well to reason, and should, in most cases, if correctly raised. However, it is the kids "job" to forever test the limits, and the parents "job" to forever clearly define and enforce them.
Hopefully, you will raise a reasonably balanced child who can funtion in a social manner but at the same time develop their own character without being to the detriment of others.
It is the combination of abusive parenting/schooling and over reactive laws to it that have led to the current mess of both parents and schools feeling unable to correct children effectively.
From what I see around me, and as a broad generalisation, English kids seem to be the most out of control of the western european countries. They certainly have a poor reputation in our area.
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Post by merton on Sept 4, 2009 4:03:36 GMT
clausdk What a load of sanctimonious bullshit ! Obviously you have never had to manage a child with ADD who often becomes quite aggressive. My young grandson once punched me in the face and buckled my glasses frames when he was asked not to do something.FWIW, my grandson and his family will be attending a live-in remedial course for a week in early December. They regularly see specialists in the field, who are continually updated with the problems arising. Medication like Ritalin can only do so much, and should not be used more often than necessary. You can NOT reason with such a child before the medication. A strict diet is also necessary to avoid substances that are known to affect behavioural patterns. You obviously have good children who can be reasoned with .You are lucky ! FWIW, I did not need to administer any more than the occasional smack on the bum to my son when he was growing up. This was only necessary after he had been very naughty. SandyK you need to make sure he has plenty of time to play outside to let it all out of his system. and make sure he's not wearing clothes with flame retardant additives or anything like that as i hear it can cause this. and that ritalin stuff... no one should be on it. just look at the side effects.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 4:53:31 GMT
MERTON Is that what happened to you ? Seriously, there are no simple answers. In this case there are other genetic factors involved. He is a little "different" , just as you are. No odffence intended, as you would realise that yourself. SandyK
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Post by merton on Sept 4, 2009 6:14:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 7:22:38 GMT
MERTON Yes, I have a low tolerance towards fools. Especially when my Arthritis is giving me hell. For that, I apologise. As usual you haven't a bloody clue what you are talking about here, because you don't have possession of the facts, especially my grandson's diagnosis. Neither have you apparently read these posts fully either, as I never at any stage referred to a mate, only my grandson. Why don't you go look for another job, or something more useful. You have buggerall knowledge about the subject being discussed here, other than than once having been a child yourself. Perhaps you still are ? SandyK
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Post by merton on Sept 4, 2009 7:24:33 GMT
oh, i see, so the info i offered is useless because you have all the facts... of course, you must be quite malicious to not have used them to fix the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 7:41:57 GMT
oh, i see, so the info i offered is useless because you have all the facts... of course, you must be quite malicious to not have used them to fix the problem. MERTON Once again, if you had fully read the posts, you would have seen that he will be at a live-in remedial course for 7 days in December with his family, where they will attempt to work out strategies.Like you, he appears to have weird fixations as part of his condition. These include being absolutely terrified by little insects such as mosquitos. In fact, part of his diagnosis was broadly similar to what our missing member ,the respected author Ron Lacey,who had a very broad grasp of the subject, diagnosed for you, based on your previous antics. I think he must have been pretty close to the mark, because he sure knew how to push all your buttons ! SandyK
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