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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 29, 2016 22:51:33 GMT
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Post by Nigel on Jul 29, 2016 22:56:06 GMT
You're mad for that book aren't you?
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 29, 2016 23:03:54 GMT
You're mad for that book aren't you? Oh yes!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 3:24:18 GMT
I don't get this Chamberlain and Churchill stuff, I mean, they both reported to the same king. If you were to believe the memoirs it's like Chamberlain comes in and "Excuse me your Majesty, but the German guy wants to annex Scotland or something", and the king says "Look, Nev, I've got a fox hunt at 3 then tea and crumpets with the French ambassador, so just tell the German guy whatever he wants to hear". So that's how history goes. Chamberlain takes the rap, and Churchill gets credit as a war hero, not because he did anything, but because he got himself appointed at the right time since he had some unspecified dirt on the royals, besides which he (Churchill) ran a few black bag operations for the royals before that. Deja vu all over again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 4:34:19 GMT
And then they have you believe that the Brits declared WW2 because the Germans bombed the Poles. They should have visited Parma, south side of Cleveland USA - nobody goes there. Nobody knew the Germans bombed the Poles. They just made it up. The Jews needed a settlement area for a hundred thousand or so refugees from the USSR, so they made up the Blitzkreig bombing story to clear a large section of Warsaw for those settlers. Then a couple years later there was an uprising against the Germans in the "Warsaw Ghetto", supposedly because the Germans were oppressing the Jews there. Truth is, the so-called uprising happened because there was a shortage of kosher corned beef in Poland, and when the Germans invaded Russia to try to free up some beef for the Warsaw settlers, they got stuck in the mud and lost half of their army as a result. That's the way these things really happen - nobody actually plans these things in advance. Hitler spent most of his time polishing speeches for the nascent League of Nations, telling his generals "Just keep the army busy in the districts so we don't have a tax revolt", and since the corrupt army leaders were running the vice in those districts, they were indeed too busy to fight any kind of war, and thus the Germans lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 15:39:08 GMT
Oh, yes - there were large numbers of Jews in concentration camps. Now check out the photos of Andersonville after the U.S. Civil War. See any similarity? When one side starts losing badly, the inmates don't get fed. Not as glamorous a story as gas chambers, but it's the same killing method the Communists used to kill 30-60 million people in the USSR and China, whether deliberate or incidental.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 30, 2016 19:34:28 GMT
The British bombing of Dresden murdered more people than Nagasaki / Hiroshima combined:
After the waves of 772 bombers had passed in the night, dropping phosphorus bombs at a rate of one for every two people, on the following morning came low-flying aircraft, which chased and mowed down visible survivors. The strafing of columns of refugees by both American and British fighter planes was par for the course: t is said that these [zoo] animals and terrified groups of refugees were machine-gunned as they tried to escape across the Grosser Garten by low-flying planes and that many bodies riddled by bullets were found later in this park. (Der Tod von Dresden, Axel Rodenberger, February 25. 1951) In Dresden, “even the huddled remnants of a children’s choir were machine-gunned in a street bordering a park.” (David Irving, The Destruction of Dresden) In 1955 former West German chancellor Konrad Adenauer stated: On February 13, 1945, the attack on the city of Dresden, which was overcrowded with refugees, claimed about 250,000 victims.(Deutschland Heute, edited by the press and information service of the federal government, Wiesbaden 1955, page 154.) In fact, 600,000 refugees from the east had joined the 600,000 inhabitants of the city, so that it may with confidence be asserted that as many as 500,000 were murdered. (This number has been gradually reduced in the synchronized mainstream press to around 25,000.) The temperature from the fires reached approximately 1,600 degrees C. The crowd of refugees at the main station had nowhere to flee; they were all consumed in the fire, their remains later burned on a huge pyre to prevent an epidemic. Novelist Kurt Vonnegut was in Dresden during the bombing: Yes, by our people (the British), I may say. You guys burnt the place down, turned it into a single column of flame. More people died there in the firestorm, in that one big flame, than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. (The Independent, London, December 20, 2001, p. 19)
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 30, 2016 19:51:35 GMT
Oh, yes - there were large numbers of Jews in concentration camps. Now check out the photos of Andersonville after the U.S. Civil War. See any similarity? When one side starts losing badly, the inmates don't get fed. Not as glamorous a story as gas chambers, but it's the same killing method the Communists used to kill 30-60 million people in the USSR and China, whether deliberate or incidental. Read the book Dale, it's a LONG / in-depth read but well worth the FREE entry fee...... the gas chambers were mostly propaganda, no mountains of ashes were ever found and to gas and dispose of 6 million bodies takes a hell of a lot of doing! Even read the first 20 pages........ it goes into great depth and I'm sure you'll manage the entire 488 pages. Please remember that this is written by a Jewish guy, Yehudi Menuhins son: drive.google.com/file/d/0B-US2sVY7OfzVHZhRFBlMmZQeDQ/viewI've got to page 30 and it's a fascinating read so far! Mike.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 30, 2016 20:07:26 GMT
Basically, the question I am asking is......... what do you think of the book? I think it's pretty damned honest and VERY bold of Gerard Menuhin to speak his mind (armed with FACTS) especially considering he is Jewish (and the son of famous Jewish Violinist Yehudi Menuhin). Well worth a read, pretty heavy going in places but it has to be...... it's not a "Hollywood" gloss over the truth type of thing, it's mostly based on actual FACTS of what occurred and why they occurred. Take your time to read it Dale..... it will take me a good YEAR to fully appraise it, there are so many "links" to documents that also have to be read but worth taking the time I feel. drive.google.com/file/d/0B-US2sVY7OfzVHZhRFBlMmZQeDQ/view
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 13:23:45 GMT
The British bombing of Dresden murdered more people than Nagasaki / Hiroshima combined: After the waves of 772 bombers had passed in the night, dropping phosphorus bombs at a rate of one for every two people, on the following morning came low-flying aircraft, which chased and mowed down visible survivors. The strafing of columns of refugees by both American and British fighter planes was par for the course: t is said that these [zoo] animals and terrified groups of refugees were machine-gunned as they tried to escape across the Grosser Garten by low-flying planes and that many bodies riddled by bullets were found later in this park. (Der Tod von Dresden, Axel Rodenberger, February 25. 1951) In Dresden, “even the huddled remnants of a children’s choir were machine-gunned in a street bordering a park.” (David Irving, The Destruction of Dresden) In 1955 former West German chancellor Konrad Adenauer stated: On February 13, 1945, the attack on the city of Dresden, which was overcrowded with refugees, claimed about 250,000 victims.(Deutschland Heute, edited by the press and information service of the federal government, Wiesbaden 1955, page 154.) In fact, 600,000 refugees from the east had joined the 600,000 inhabitants of the city, so that it may with confidence be asserted that as many as 500,000 were murdered. (This number has been gradually reduced in the synchronized mainstream press to around 25,000.) The temperature from the fires reached approximately 1,600 degrees C. The crowd of refugees at the main station had nowhere to flee; they were all consumed in the fire, their remains later burned on a huge pyre to prevent an epidemic. Novelist Kurt Vonnegut was in Dresden during the bombing: Yes, by our people (the British), I may say. You guys burnt the place down, turned it into a single column of flame. More people died there in the firestorm, in that one big flame, than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. (The Independent, London, December 20, 2001, p. 19)That massive purely-revenge killing was an inspiration for U.S. former Attorney General Ramsey Clark, to write about the Highway of Death in Iraq, and to organize a global coalition to prosecute King George (Bush The First) and his cohorts for such egregious war crimes. It really makes the posturing of the current politicians so ridiculous when you compare their claims to the reality of vengeance massacres like these. The British Air Forces unfortunately were quite expert in the machine-gun massacre at Dresden.
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