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« Reply #15 on Jul 15, 2007, 9:17pm »

Fritz, a couple of OPA602AP on their way to you tomorrow..... got them in a jiffy bag will ship tomorrow. Much the same performance as the OPA602BP but cheaper.... I'm keeping my stash of BP for a rainy day.

Let me know what you think of them in the WNA and please let the amp warm up for 3 days before fully evaluating them.... they get better the longer the amp is powered up.

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 Re: LT1056 in WNA MKII
« Reply #16 on Jul 16, 2007, 8:48am »


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Fritz, a couple of OPA602AP on their way to you tomorrow..... got them in a jiffy bag will ship tomorrow. Much the same performance as the OPA602BP but cheaper.... I'm keeping my stash of BP for a rainy day.Let me know what you think of them in the WNA and please let the amp warm up for 3 days before fully evaluating them.... they get better the longer the amp is powered up.


Thanks :( :( :( :(

But - please give the LT1056/LT1022 a chance - free samples for LT1056/LT1022 are open (2 pcs) - last both days I had some sessions ....

The LT1056 sounds warm and cold, sharp and soft, analytic and natural - so as the sound-engineer has done his work :P

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 Re: LT1056 in WNA MKII
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HighlightsRoger Waters, Amused To DeathDeeeep natural bassPink Floyd, Final CutGood micro dynamics, very subtle in background (slapping shoes, playing children, ..)


Pete Townshend "Face the face" (in german we said "fetzt so richtig") deep bass "grummel :(" and brutal drums ???

Sinéad O'Connor "GOSPEL OAK" had rare heard this so natural and realistic :( :P

I think this are twice effects -
one the LT1056
second - my K701 nearly burned in :( :( :( :(

The K701 is one of the best headphones I ever heared!


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 Re: LT1022 in WNA MKII
« Reply #18 on Jul 20, 2007, 8:39am »


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But - please give the LT1056/LT1022 a chance - free samples for LT1056/LT1022 are open (2 pcs) - last both days I had some sessions ....The LT1056 sounds warm and cold, sharp and soft, analytic and natural - so as the sound-engineer has done his work


Yesterday I got samples of LT1022

My first (subjective) look and feel - the LT1056 sounds better - but I will give the LT1022 a chance to burn in :P

maybe, yesterday I had a bad day to hear?! ???
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My first (subjective) look and feel - the LT1056 sounds better - but I will give the LT1022 a chance to burn in :P


additional listenings ....

LT1022
sometimes a very little bit muted
leadsinger a bit more in background, quieter - but background sound a bit louder clear sound

emotionally I missing something but I cannot say what

LT1056 sometimes tiny strained in treble at sizzle cymbal, LT1022 does not.

This statements are subjektiv and emotional ......

I rate LT1056 emotionall prior to LT1022, but very close ;D

I found in my treasure chest some ....
OPA 655 http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/opa655.html
400MHz UNITY GAIN BANDWIDTH
LOW INPUT BIAS CURRENT: 5pA
HIGH INPUT IMPEDANCE: 1012(ohm) || 1.0pf
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LOW DISTORTION: 90dB SFDR at 5MHz
FAST SETTLING: 17ns (0.01%)
HIGH OUTPUT CURRENT: 60mA
FAST OVERDRIVE RECOVERY

have anyone experince about this?

and some too
AD845
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and ... whats about this?
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 Re: OPA602AP in WNA MKII
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Fritz, a couple of OPA602AP on their way to you tomorrow..... got them in a jiffy bag will ship tomorrow. Much the same performance as the OPA602BP but cheaper....


Thanks - now the OPA602AP is inside ;D

My first short impression without burn in or longer warming up and only one CD "PF FinalCut" ...... nearly perfect - detailled, good micro dynamic .... more later .....
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« Reply #21 on Jul 29, 2007, 11:26am »


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Thanks - now the OPA602AP is inside


After some sessions I can say (for me) the OPA602AP is one of the distinguished OPA's for the WNA MKII.

Very balanced, detaiiled music :(

Better than LT1056 LT1022 AD847 AD843 LM6171 LME49710?
I cant say this with guarantee :D but the OPA602AP is a new star ;D

Open to test - but what is your experience about this?
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« Reply #22 on Jul 29, 2007, 11:35am »


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Thanks - now the OPA602AP is inside


After some sessions I can say (for me) the OPA602AP is one of the distinguished OPA's for the WNA MKII.

Very balanced, detaiiled music :(

Better than LT1056 LT1022 AD847 AD843 LM6171 LME49710?
I cant say this with guarantee :D but the OPA602AP is a new star ;D


Yes, it's not bad at all is it Fritz? Glad my hearing is still good :D


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AD8065, OPA604, AD845, OPA627, AD825, AD8610, AD9631


Oh... plenty or ramblings on most of those chips when used in the MKll

AD8065: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1614982&postcount=598

Actually Fritz, I think I covered most of them in this very long thread over at Head-Fi and your good self also appears in the discussion :(

This one..... http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread....065#post1614982
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« Reply #23 on Jul 29, 2007, 11:59am »


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next time I will heat my iron and solder them into the SOIC adapter.

Input caps, lamp, ZOBEL I dont have, only BG 1000 uF output caps (not bypass).

But Graham use caps too in Solo!? Belike I get a DC protection from David :)
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After some sessions I can say (for me) the OPA602AP is one of the distinguished OPA's for the WNA MKII.


Yesterday evening I heared Roger Waters "Amused to Death" - this was a extraordinary epiphany ;D :D

I think its near "the end of the flagpole" with my components - another OPA have a rough ride to overcome the OPA602AP in WNA MKII ???

To make a great shift in sound I must change others, ... the CD/SACD player, the headphones, .......
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« Reply #25 on Jul 30, 2007, 9:47pm »

It's really a pity that David can't get you a MKlll board Fritz, you're so passionate and dedicated to get the best out of the old girl :( Did you ever put the cascode PSU together?

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after long time David replied - I have an "eye" for a MKIII board and a DC protection board too - and then I will make a new amp with cascode PSU too - and without splitter?

But I am in a Catch-22 situation - should I make a new WNA MKIII or buy a Graham Solo - but can anyone help me to detach my dilemma ???
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Thanks - now the OPA602AP is inside


After some sessions I can say (for me) the OPA602AP is one of the distinguished OPA's for the WNA MKII.

Very balanced, detaiiled music :(

Better than LT1056 LT1022 AD847 AD843 LM6171 LME49710?
I cant say this with guarantee :D but the OPA602AP is a new star ;D

Open to test - but what is your experience about this?
AD8065, OPA604, AD845, OPA627, AD825, AD8610, AD9631


Now I use two TLE2071 inside my WNA MK II - but no elementary difference between OPA602 and TLE2071. I think they come from the same TI (BB) familie.

Compare to the Graham Slee "green Solo" the WNA sound a little bit sharpen - PF Final Cut track 1 - rattle the coins.

The "green Solo" rattle the coins more actualise :P

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after long time David replied - I have an "eye" for a MKIII board and a DC protection board too - and then I will make a new amp with cascode PSU too - and without splitter?

But I am in a Catch-22 situation - should I make a new WNA MKIII or buy a Graham Solo - but can anyone help me to detach my dilemma ???


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